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cross
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response 150 of 203:
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Feb 18 15:11 UTC 2007 |
Dan wonders why people insist on calling him Cross and not just, you know,
Dan. Or even dan.
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twenex
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response 151 of 203:
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Feb 18 15:29 UTC 2007 |
Jeff calls Dan {C,c}ross because that's his login name.
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twenex
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response 152 of 203:
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Feb 18 15:29 UTC 2007 |
And surname.
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cross
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response 153 of 203:
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Feb 18 15:33 UTC 2007 |
Dan understands that. But Dan would sort of prefer Dan.
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keesan
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response 154 of 203:
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Feb 18 16:04 UTC 2007 |
keesan to cross and twenex:
Someone specifically wanted Win98 to play Win9X educational games on with her
daycare kids. Someone else specifically wants to learn MS WORD so she can
get a job in an MS OFFICE. Other people (who I have never met) wanted
something their friends in Ypsi could help them with.
Linux is going onto computers for friends, and they seem able to manage
without help once I set it up with Opera and give them a quick lesson. No
Windows worms or viruses, and it runs much much faster. It also takes only
a few minutes to copy over from a USB memory stick and uncompress (once I
partition and format the drive), and put on their phone number, login and
password. I don't need to download 8MB of video driver because I have some
older video cards that work with a standard driver and configuration.
Since ALL they want to do is browse the internet, and don't need anything
fancy such as Shockwave Flash or even sound, this is a small tool that does
the job much faster than a big one.
keesan does not like GUIs because: they take longer to set up and load
(though linux X and icewm are only a couple of seconds), they waste memory,
they are designed around a mouse and it is quicker for me to use the keyboard,
they waste hard drive space (a bigger hard drive boots slower because linux
checks it out first). But sets them up for friends so they can use Opera.
Opera is now usable as 'user' - su user first. I dial as root so that user
won't have access to the file containing login and password.
Three of our friends for whom I set up both Win98 and linux with opera have
not used the Win98 version, they prefer linux. Faster, more stable.
I had it booting into X (vt1 - the other vts were still console) until I added
the password package and now I lost that. SOmeone suggested putting startx
in profile but then I would not have three consoles in addition to X. Any
other ideas? I had edited inittab to only make vt1 go to X.
memory leak, forcing core dump, segmentation fault (I exited lynx on vt3)....
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cross
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response 155 of 203:
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Feb 18 16:41 UTC 2007 |
The problem with Windows 98 and web browsing is that Windows 98 is horribly
insecure. A Windows 98 machine dialing into the net is likely to get
compromised almost immediately, even one coming over a slow dialup line!
Hence the danger.
I would check and see if Windows programs run under WINE or something similar
before going with Windows 98.
It's not just about simplicity and space, it's also about security.
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maus
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response 156 of 203:
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Feb 18 17:55 UTC 2007 |
Dan, sorry about referring to you by your login name. I'll try to
remember to refer to you by your given name instead. No insult intended.
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maus
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response 157 of 203:
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Feb 18 17:55 UTC 2007 |
P.S: Dan or dan ?
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cross
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response 158 of 203:
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Feb 18 18:36 UTC 2007 |
That's all right; I prefer Dan, but will respond to either. I'm just curious
why people choose one over the other, and of course, I realize that no insult
was intended.
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keesan
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response 159 of 203:
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Feb 18 19:47 UTC 2007 |
If you read closely, you will see that I put Win98 on for wordprocessing and
linux/opera (run as user from now on, not root) for internet. I ran a
chkrootkit program which did not detect any linux viruses after 4 years of
my running as root. I have no daemons running (no open ports) except Xvesa.
I am offering Abiword for wordprocessing but people want Windows. Some people
also insist on Windows for browsing and that is what I gave them. I told them
to get a virus checking program and not do anything high security. They do
email. They do not have the money to purchase a new computer with new
Windows.
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cross
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response 160 of 203:
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Feb 18 19:48 UTC 2007 |
...and what we're saying is that those people would be better off with Linux,
even if they want to run Windows software, it would be better to run it under
emulation than on native Windows.
Where do you get all these Windows licenses, anyway?
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keesan
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response 161 of 203:
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Feb 18 20:17 UTC 2007 |
We get Win98 on lots of used hard drives and remove junk from it.
I am not going to spend time learning to run Windows emulated under linux just
for people who don't want to use linux. I tried dosemu and it works badly
with the programs I wanted it for. Does okay with a CAD program in xdosemu.
Would you like to put some minimal linux with Windows emulation on 500MB
drives for me to give away?
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keesan
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response 162 of 203:
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Feb 18 20:23 UTC 2007 |
How much space would linux with WINE require? wineHQ has a Slackware 10.2
binary that should run on a 386 that is 10MB tgz - maybe it would fit but I
don't have Slackware 10.2 or want it. Upgrading the glibc to use this binary
would require also changing the kernel and modules. Not impossible and this
certainly takes less space than 150MB of Windows 98 itself. I have 150MB free
space in the linux partition for the friend who wants WORD and linux/opera.
And only 50MB free in the Windows partition. Thanks for the idea.
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keesan
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response 163 of 203:
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Feb 18 21:16 UTC 2007 |
I can't find a binary for anything older than Slackware 10.2. Source is 11MB
bz2. A list of supported applications includes WORD97 and 2000.
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cross
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response 164 of 203:
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Feb 18 21:37 UTC 2007 |
Regarding #161; Err, that's kind of illegal.
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maus
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response 165 of 203:
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Feb 18 23:48 UTC 2007 |
Can you give me a bit more information about the boxes besides the max
drive size? Are the PCI-based? What brand of NIC do they use? I may be
able to throw together a nice image that you can toast onto a bunch of
CF cards or small drives, and be done. I will probably base it off of a
standard version of Slack 11 or something else "normal" and
well-known/well-supported.
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twenex
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response 166 of 203:
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Feb 19 00:33 UTC 2007 |
Now Jeff understands that Sindi needs to install Windows for some users, but
agrees at least provisionally with Dan that the way Sindi is "procuring" Win98
at least MAY be illegal.
Jeff hopes Dan notices that Jeff has now started calling Dan "Dan," and is
pleased.
I am going to stop the irritating parodic third-person nonsense now.
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cross
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response 167 of 203:
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Feb 19 00:59 UTC 2007 |
Dan notices and Dan appreciates. And now I will also knock off all the 3rd
Party nonsense.
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nharmon
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response 168 of 203:
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Feb 19 01:30 UTC 2007 |
Sindi might not think she is doing any harm pirating Windows for people
but the fact is Microsoft regularly goes after people who do so. How
they do it is offer free copies of properly licensed Windows in exchange
for the names and addresses of the people who install the pirated software.
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edina
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response 169 of 203:
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Feb 19 01:47 UTC 2007 |
re 167 Brooke would like it better if Dan started referring to
himself as "The Dan".
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cross
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response 170 of 203:
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Feb 19 02:06 UTC 2007 |
Sort of like, ``The Donald''?
``Rosie's a slob!''
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edina
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response 171 of 203:
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Feb 19 02:12 UTC 2007 |
Exactly!! Please Jesus let your hair be better.....
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cross
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response 172 of 203:
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Feb 19 02:12 UTC 2007 |
Oh yes; don't worry, my hair is better than The Donald's comb-over.
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keesan
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response 173 of 203:
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Feb 19 03:40 UTC 2007 |
Re 165 (?) from maus Are you offering to put together some small linux that
I can transfer via some external drive (I have a USB external drive and a 1GB
USB flash drive) that will run Opera and also WORD under WINE? That fits in
500MB? This particular computer has 2 PCI slots and I put a video card into
one of them (rather than dealing with an odd driver that I might have to
compile). No network card. Eventually an external modem. I was told not
to put any more work into it right now. It was supposed to be for the
to-be-ex-wife of a friend and we will see if she even wants to use the linux
part of it for the internet. He says she is rarely satisfied with anything
he gives her. He is delighted with the linux/opera I put on his computer.
By great good fortune he already has a Lucent modem in there which worked with
ltmodem.o driver. My two lucent modems did not.
If she does not like linux, I will let him put Win98 and WORD on the drive
after removing linux and enlarging the Win98 partition.
I installed Slackware 10.1 or 10.2 on one computer and it immediately filled
up at least 1GB in a minimal installation, and wasted 64MB of RAM on running
unneeded daemons. It had several pages of config file for X. I am using
a generic Xvesa driver with no config file.
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cross
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response 174 of 203:
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Feb 19 03:45 UTC 2007 |
(Her not being satisfied with things he gives her might have more to do with
the fact that she is a soon-to-be-ex-wife than that she is not satisfied with
those things. And perhaps, vice versa.)
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