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selena
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response 150 of 183:
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May 17 00:27 UTC 1995 |
I went back and re-read sidhe's #0..
It does make one think about the possible dangers out there.
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rcurl
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response 151 of 183:
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May 17 06:45 UTC 1995 |
There are indeed dangers "out there", but *that* one is much more
remote than the dangers posed by having a phone number or an address.
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selena
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response 152 of 183:
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May 19 02:15 UTC 1995 |
Yes, well, *having* a phone number and address is one thing- giving it
out.. that's another.
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rcurl
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response 153 of 183:
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May 19 05:34 UTC 1995 |
Your address is public information if you vote, drive a car, own
property, or have children. Avoiding all of those things too makes
your life rather limited. Most (99.999%?) of people don't worry about
it.
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adbarr
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response 154 of 183:
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May 19 21:38 UTC 1995 |
How long has the person - Selena Barwens - been using Grex? Thanks.
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ajax
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response 155 of 183:
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May 19 21:42 UTC 1995 |
You can type "!finger selena" to find out...works if people permit their
".plan" file to be read, and if they haven't erased the line about when
they first registered. Selena seems to have been around since Nov 7 '94.
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selena
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response 156 of 183:
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May 20 04:30 UTC 1995 |
<Selena curtseys>
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peacefrg
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response 157 of 183:
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May 30 19:55 UTC 1995 |
My plan doesn't seem to say that. Is there another way to do it?
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srw
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response 158 of 183:
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May 31 04:07 UTC 1995 |
Not that is generally available. There are logs taken by newuser,
which could be searched, but these contain sensitive info and are
not available to the public.
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sidhe
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response 159 of 183:
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Jun 21 11:20 UTC 1995 |
Address and phone number are public, yes, rane, but the concern arises
in putting that info into the hands of the net.
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rcurl
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response 160 of 183:
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Jun 21 15:29 UTC 1995 |
I think it would be a boon to have all phone "books" available on
the net - so one could look up numbers in any city in the world. So,
what would be your concern about this? As it is now, you have to go
to a (good) library to accomplish the same thing.
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tsty
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response 161 of 183:
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Jun 21 16:25 UTC 1995 |
... or buy the CD collections ...
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ajax
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response 162 of 183:
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Jun 21 16:36 UTC 1995 |
Those CD collections all use proprietary data formats, to prevent easy
net publishing, right? If they used an open database standard, I think
people would make them freely available on the net.
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mju
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response 163 of 183:
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Jun 21 16:58 UTC 1995 |
With AT&T, You Will. http://www.att.net.
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remmers
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response 164 of 183:
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Jun 21 19:30 UTC 1995 |
Oh my. I tried that and got the 800 number directory.
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popcorn
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response 165 of 183:
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Jun 21 20:37 UTC 1995 |
That's most cool! Sometimes I want so *badly* to tell the information
operators what I'd like them to type into the computer. Especially when
you have to call information three times before you get an operator who
knows how to locate the listing for TRW. Goodness!
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mju
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response 166 of 183:
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Jun 21 23:38 UTC 1995 |
Interestingly, there is also a http://www.att.com/ page, with the
more traditional "AT&T Corporate Home Page" on it. Fairly well
done, but as with most commercial home pages, startlingly low
useful-information content.
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whitemag
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response 167 of 183:
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Jun 25 08:39 UTC 1995 |
hi sihe..this is jwp's friend thought I would take this time to
say......HOWDY!!
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sidhe
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response 168 of 183:
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Jun 25 19:43 UTC 1995 |
Hello, jeff. And that would be siDhe, old boy, not sihe. But enough
greetings..
This would then be a good spot to ask: how much info does one
want available about themselves online? People- millions of them- pay
extra for unlisted phone numbers, etc in the phone books. You can't call
all of them pananoid. So, the question is, why is there a need to invasde
people's privacy, if they ask you not to? _My_ number is not unlisted, so
my friends can contact me if they need to, but it used to be, and I enjoyed
the lack of idiots that would call me to try and sell me things, etc.
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rcurl
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response 169 of 183:
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Jun 26 03:45 UTC 1995 |
Lets have a survey. Who has an unlisted number, and why?
I have two lines. One is listed and the other, unlisted, is used to
keep the first one open and not occupied with networking use. It then
turns out to be useful for when the first is busy, but we don't give
out the number. (But we do get "wrong numbers" on it....)
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scg
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response 170 of 183:
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Jun 26 04:46 UTC 1995 |
Both my numbers are unlisted, because they are the second and third lines on
my parents' account, and are unlisted by default. I give out the number I
use for voice calls pretty widely (including in my .plans on several systems),
and if I were going to still be using that number when the next phone book
comes out I would call Ameritech and ask them to list it. My other unlisted
phone number is for the line I use for my modem, and I don't even remember
the number for that line anymore.
But, talking about unlisted phone numbers misses the point. Nobody is
suggesting that people wanting to use the Net should be required to list lots
of personal information about themselves in their .plans. All verification
requires is that one person, currently danr, know who a person is. Even if
people have an unlisted number, there are a lot more Ameritech employees with
access to the information than there are people with access to Grex's
verification information.
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rcurl
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response 171 of 183:
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Jun 28 22:14 UTC 1995 |
Unlisted numbers is not *the* topic, but it is pertinent, as it has been
suggested to be an example of paranoia about having one's name (and
number, or address) public. I wanted to find out if any users here had
simply a secrecy motive.
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sidhe
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response 172 of 183:
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Jul 18 00:45 UTC 1995 |
Why is it that the "honor" of being online seems to be more important
than a person's comfort zone, in regards to the amount of informational
disclosure they wish to have?
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mdw
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response 173 of 183:
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Jul 18 03:31 UTC 1995 |
I'm not sure where you're getting this "honor" idea from. But, there
are perfectly reasonable reasons to encourage people to disclose
information.
If you have an environment where most people have shared such
information; then those people have each invested in a certain amount of
personal risk for their own behavior; if they screw up, the consequences
will reflect right back on that person. On the other hand, if you have
an environment where nobody has invested in that risk, there is a
feeling of being consequence-free; and there are people who in the
absence of such negative feedback, will push things to the limit; ie,
behave as badly as they can get away with.
On grex, there is somewhat of a mix of the two; some people share more
information, and some less. That puts people who have shared less
information at somewhat of a social disadvantage: they are likely to be
treated worse with an expectation that they are more likely to be a
troublemaker.
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sidhe
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response 174 of 183:
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Jul 23 19:44 UTC 1995 |
And that is simply not right.
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