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dah
response 150 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 13:52 UTC 2003

AHA !  DONGLES!  THE VERY N AME SOUNDS RUDE!
gull
response 151 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 23:35 UTC 2003

Yup.  It gets really annoying when you need to run two such programs on 
one computer, and have to try to figure out how to chain two dongles off 
one port and have them both work.
krj
response 152 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 16 23:09 UTC 2003

The link for this story goes away shortly, but maybe someone will
have put it on the web somewhere...

LA Times, the hometown paper for Big Music:
"One Voice on Piracy"

http://www.latimes.com/la-fi-behind10sep10133420,1,2671593.story

Quote:-------

>>Warner Music Group Chairman Roger Ames wouldn't budge. The industry
>>veteran refused last summer to join an effort by his four major
>>competitors to sue illegal downloaders who were crushing the
>>industry's bottom line.

>> Ames insisted that before the labels unleashed their attorneys and
>>risked a potential public relations backlash, they needed to provide
>>consumers with an alternative, a place where the pirates could
>>legally download songs from all five major record companies.

>> "We made it clear to everyone that we weren't prepared to go
>>forward with lawsuits until there were ATTRACTIVE and COMPREHENSIVE
>>online services up and running," said David Johnson, Warner Music's
>>general counsel.

(endquote)-----(emphasis KRJ)

And here, in a nutshell, we see why Big Music is doomed.  They have
totally lost touch with the consumers.  Their general counsel can,
with a straight face, describe Pressplay and Musicnet as "attractive
and comprehensive online services," when these services are mocked by
all knowledgable consumers for their difficulty of use; and when
their usage figures are so low, they remain unpublished; and when
huge amounts of recorded music remain unavailable through them.

(It's not just that Pressplay and Musicnet are pay services.  Apple's
iTunes is a pay service and it is not widely mocked; and it has
published its sales figures from the get-go.)

Or, let me put it another way.  In the history of American
capitalism, when has an industry responded to consumer demand by
saying, "No, under no circumstances will we give you what you want,
you must take what we are selling and that's it."

----------

((I just had a flash of insight.  Big Music is showing the consumer
relations skills of the industries of the Soviet Union.))

krj
response 153 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 00:33 UTC 2003

Or:
     Big Music has one product line, compact discs, which consumers are 
turning away from.  They have a new product line, the crippled download
services, which consumers have totally rejected.
 
     So, faced with rejection in the market, Big Music turns to state 
power to keep its customers from fleeing.
 
     It's so perfectly Soviet.
dbratman
response 154 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 06:26 UTC 2003

#125: "My assumption now is that any store I walk into isn't going to 
stock what I'm looking for, so I might as well buy online and save 
myself the trip."

Right.  Which is why reducing inventory is self-defeating.

Buying online is wonderful when you already know what you want.  What 
gets me is that I have never yet figured out a satisfactory (for me) 
way to browse online to look for things that I might want.  Of course, 
record browsing was rendered much more difficult by the advent of the 
CD and the consequent virtual disappearance of back-cover liner notes.  
But I still browse in record stores as well as in bookstores.  At least 
most of the record stores have in-store players now.
gull
response 155 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 13:30 UTC 2003

I guess I'm a little different...I don't think I've ever bought an album
because I liked something I read about it.  I have to hear a couple
songs off the album and like them before I'll buy it.
anderyn
response 156 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 15:15 UTC 2003

I think I can read about an album and buy it, but I have to have heard the
group before (for example, I just saw a blurb that Runrig has a new album out.
I haven't heard it, but I'd buy it in a second if I had the cash.)
gull
response 157 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 17 17:46 UTC 2003

Yeah, I'll grant you that.  If I like a group well enough, I'll buy
albums just on the strength of their name.
gull
response 158 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 20:35 UTC 2003

The Register has an article today with a great quote from SBC lawyer Jim
Ellis:

"Under the RIAA's interpretation of the law, anyone willing to pay a
small fee and represent that its copyright is being violated would be
entitled to know the name, address and phone number of the person behind
an anonymous e-mail," said Ellis. "This would readily lead the Internet
stalker, the child predator or the abusive spouse to their victims." 

(http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32905.html)
tpryan
response 159 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 15:24 UTC 2003

        We must shut down the RIAA to 'Save the Children'.
krj
response 160 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 20:26 UTC 2003

Metadiscussion:  Agora has rolled over for the fall.   I will let this 
sit for a day or so to allow a few other items to establish themselves
in the new Agora conference, then I'll start The Sixteenth Napster Item.
 
In the meantime, here was an entertaining rant from USA Today:
 
"Free CD downloads: Recording industry can't put this cat back in bag"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-09-23-hughes-edit_x.ht
m

A university business professor writes about her attempts to give up
Kazaa and use the legal download services.

Quote from near the end:

  "The next day, I asked my students in class if they could recommend
  any good legal sites for downloading music.  I got a blank, puzzled
  silence in response.  Finally, one student asked, 'Why would you want
  to do that?'

  "Dutifully, I recited the RIAA's mantra: 'I don't shoplift; I
  shouldn't steal music.'

  "'But the legal sites don't have any good music,' explained one
  earnest senior in the front row."
mcnally
response 161 of 162: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 21:32 UTC 2003

  I, too, would be interested in learning about legal sites which offer
  downloads of good music.  Unfortunately my search efforts haven't been
  especially rewarding, though you do find stuff here and there.
dbratman
response 162 of 162: Mark Unseen   Oct 8 04:01 UTC 2003

I don't know about downloading it, but for streaming audio the BBC 
Archives are really fabulous for the kinds of music the BBC offers.
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