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Grex > Cooking > #180: Gas vs. electric: The great stove debate | |
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scott
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response 15 of 60:
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Aug 29 18:56 UTC 2001 |
Pollution might also be a result of a mis-adjusted air mix on the burners.
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mary
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response 16 of 60:
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Aug 29 23:41 UTC 2001 |
I'll have to look at the manual to see what I've got. I thought I
knew until you guys threw out so many options. ;-)
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scott
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response 17 of 60:
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Aug 30 00:09 UTC 2001 |
Clearly somebody who doesn't know what they have doesn't deserve such a
high-end stove. ;)
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mary
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response 18 of 60:
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Aug 30 20:19 UTC 2001 |
Hey, I walk up to it, make my unborn veal in white truffle sauce, and move
on to other things. I let others worry about details. ;-)
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scott
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response 19 of 60:
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Aug 31 19:18 UTC 2001 |
Anybody ever use a stove with one of those old "heat minder" electric burners?
This is the kind where one of the burners will have a sensor in the middle
of the coil and a control knob calibrated in degrees. I don't think I've ever
used a stove with a correctly-working unit.
I just replaced the control unit on the defective heat-minder on my new
antique stove with a standard control knob instead of fixing the sensor stuff.
It's not *that* hard to get the temperature I want.
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otter
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response 20 of 60:
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Sep 1 16:18 UTC 2001 |
The only electric stove I've ever liked is the one we have now. It is
from around 1948. It is very narrow, about 22 inches, but since I seldom
use more than two burners at once, everything fits. The control settings
are S, VL, L, M, H. I love having a "simmer" setting! Best part: the left
rear burner space is a sunken slow cooker! It has a ceramic coil in the
bottom, and holds a pot (with cover) that is flush with the cooktop. I
gave my crockpot to Goodwill.
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keesan
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response 21 of 60:
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Sep 1 19:22 UTC 2001 |
I think there is insulation around the sunken slow cooker. I never saw one
of those on a narrow stove. Sounds like a really nice stove you have.
Jim fixed the sensor control for the burner on our Euro-style electric stove.
It is not calibrated in degrees, but it has lots of markings for fine control.
The idea is that you can set it to simmer at a particular setting, which is
not dependent on the pot size or contents. I have never used that feature.
The burner itself only heats up at half the regular speed, which is a nuisance
since that is the only burner the right size for our pressure cookers. The
other large burner is for large frying pans. We also have a temperature
sensor thing on our double-wide sixties stove, in a burner that can be 6" or
8" (separate inner and outer coil) and that stove has push buttons, probably
five settings like otter's. The book at the library explained how these
worked. I think it involves some combination of 120 and 240 voltage producing
different amounts of heat in different parts of the coil.
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danr
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response 22 of 60:
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Sep 11 02:49 UTC 2001 |
I've always cooked on electric stoves until I moved into this house,
which has a gas stove (but an electric oven). I like the adjustability
of the gas burners, but as someone pointed out, the lowest setting
seems to be too high to really simmer stuff. Also, the heat output at
the high end seems to be lower than the electric burners as it takes
longer to boil water on this stove. Overall, it's probably a wash.
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keesan
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response 23 of 60:
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Sep 20 18:56 UTC 2001 |
The most efficient and also fastest way to cook is with electric appliances,
where more of the heat goes into the pot or pan. We have a couple of
insulated 'natural ovens' with insulation outside the heating element, some
electric frying pans and woks, electric water boilers and even an electric
pressure cooker.
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orinoco
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response 24 of 60:
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Sep 20 22:50 UTC 2001 |
If you use an electric stove on city power, fuel is being burned to produce
heat, the heat is being converted into motion, the motion into electricity,
and the electricity is being turned back into heat. A gas stove just burns
the fuel and is done with it. Are gas stoves really more wasteful?
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keesan
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response 25 of 60:
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Sep 21 16:09 UTC 2001 |
There are also differences in how efficiently the heat of the stove is used
to heat the pot or pan. If you turn a gas stove up high and the flames lick
around the ends of the pot, the heat is being wasted. I still think heating
the pot or pan directly (electric appliance) is probably even more efficient
than gas. It is certainly much less likely to put carbon monoxide or methane
into your lungs. Anyone with both gas and electric burners want to experiment
by measuring the temperature of the air just above burner height and next to
a pot on a hot burner, to see how much is escaping?
Efficiency seems sort of not very important in the case of cooking considering
how little fuel is used for it compared to heat or hot water (or motor
vehicles). If you want to be efficient, use a pressure cooker or at least
boil things with the covers on. Baking is much more wasteful than boiling
because a larger space is heated and a lot of the heat goes out a hole in top
of the stove.
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scott
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response 26 of 60:
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Sep 21 16:47 UTC 2001 |
When I take my teakettle of the (electric) burner because the water is
boiling, the burner stays red-hot for a couple minutes after I've turned the
burner off. That's wasted heat.
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keesan
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response 27 of 60:
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Sep 21 21:12 UTC 2001 |
So turn off the burner a few minutes before the water boils. Or boil a cup
of water in the microwave oven, or in an electric pot. When we cook with a
pressure cooker we turn it off before it comes to full pressure, then let it
cool off naturally. Rice can be cooked (brown rice) by bringing it to about
10 pounds, turn it off, it goes to 15 pounds, then cools and it is cooked.
Same for presoaked beans.
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md
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response 28 of 60:
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Sep 23 14:41 UTC 2001 |
I don't like electric stoves. An electric frying pan or an electric
crock pot or wok or bread machine can be very handy, but gas is best
for ordinary stovetop cooking, at least for my money.
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keesan
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response 29 of 60:
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Sep 24 12:05 UTC 2001 |
What do you cook most often on your ordinary stovetop?
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md
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response 30 of 60:
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Sep 29 23:08 UTC 2001 |
All kinds of stuff. One thing that makes gas better is that you can
turn it down instantly. Roaring flame to nothing in less than a
second. No pasta boilovers, for example. Also, there are infinite
gradations of adjustment, all visible to the eye merely by looking
under the pot or pan. I can tell by the way the olive oil smells
whether the heat needs to be adjusted a tiny bit up or down. The
difference between tender golden bits of garlic at the end of cooking
the veal medallions, and darker overcooked bits mixed in with the
medallions might be a slight reduction of the flame. You sort of look
at it and nod. If you have any kind of cooperation at all going on
between hand and eye and nose and brain, all this is essential. (Also,
when the power goes out, I'm still cooking.)
I understand that some people are inexplicably married to electricity.
They are welcome to their obsession. I wouldn't think of trying to
convert them.
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md
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response 31 of 60:
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Sep 29 23:10 UTC 2001 |
[Btw, fwiw, we heat the house with gas and dry our clothes with gas,
too.]
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keesan
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response 32 of 60:
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Sep 30 16:44 UTC 2001 |
What we usually cook requires either the highest possible heat (pressure
cooker brought to pressure) or the lowest possible heat (simmering the
stir-fry) which electric seems to do okay. I solve the boil-over problem by
removing the pot from the burner. The gas stoves that I have used at friends'
houses don't get as hot or as cool - maybe yours is much better quality.
I agree that it is nice to be able to adjust instantly, but the range of
temperatures on these gas stoves is not as great as on electric. My primary
objection to gas is the need to breathe methane and carbon monoxide.
We have one thermostatted burner on one of our stoves that claims to offer
lots of fine adjustments but unfortunately it is one of those solid burners,
meaning it takes a lot longer to heat up or cool down. The electric frying
pan offers the same control, but faster.
I cooked one year on a completely non-adjustable alcohol burner. Took
a bit of getting used to, but still a lot easier than cooking over a wood
fire. It did not provide a very hot flame but you could fry an egg on it.
The fuel was much cheaper and more readily available than camping fuel. It
had the added advantage of putting a little heat in my unheated drafty room.
Has anyone tried cooking on a woodstove?
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davel
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response 33 of 60:
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Sep 30 18:44 UTC 2001 |
A very little, long ago. (My grandparents had a cabin whose only (internal)
heat sources were wood stove & fireplace.) You can adjust cooking heat
somewhat by moving the pans around on the stovetop. (Obviously, adding fuel,
stirring up fire, etc., and closing off air sources, work but are clumsy,
inexact, & slow.)
(Most of my times at this cabin were when I was a kid, & I did not do the
cooking. Moreover, it was way up in the Rockies, and adjustments had to be
made for lower boiling point, etc. - I was much more aware of these (from
adult conversation) than woodstove-specific issues.)
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jaklumen
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response 34 of 60:
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Apr 30 11:48 UTC 2002 |
From my understanding, as was said earlier, yes, gas stoves are
superior in heat control, and so its obvious strength is in sauteing
and the like.
However, you can't can fruits and vegetables with a gas stove--
something I suspect not many Grexers do (and md doesn't sound like one
of them-- resp:30). I forget precisely why this is, but perhaps it's
because of what Sindi said in resp:23 in that you're heating the pot
directly. Anyway, a friend of mine just told me that you need an
electric stove for things like that, which probably means steam
juicing is out, too.
I don't have to worry here in Washington, where we have
hydroelectric. This has been a new reminder that Michigan is gas-
powered.
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glenda
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response 35 of 60:
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Apr 30 13:20 UTC 2002 |
I have recently discovered that an electric stove with do better at bringing
a large pot of water to a boil. We had gas in the apartment and could never
get a good rolling boil in the spaghetti pot. We have a very cheap (as in
we needed something to cook on until the kitchen renovations are done to the
point that we can bring the good range in) electric stove. Spaghetti pot
comes to a rolling boil in about 5 minutes. I am hoping that the good range
(a 60", double oven Dynasty gas range) will have enough omph to do a proper
boil. STeve won't give up the dedicated high-temp wok burner.
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slynne
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response 36 of 60:
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Apr 30 14:14 UTC 2002 |
I dont have any trouble getting a good rolling boil in large pots of
water on my gas stove (which is one of the cheaper models) but it does
take longer than 5 minutes. It helps to keep the pot covered when
bringing the water to boil *shrug*
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keesan
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response 37 of 60:
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Apr 30 15:14 UTC 2002 |
On average electric burners can be turned up hotter than gas burners, but
there are some very high-power gas burners available particularly on
restaurant stoves. We have pressure-canned so gas ought to work just about
as well, if a bit slower. Glenda's new gas stove will probably be very fast
at boiling large pots of water. When does it arrive?
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glenda
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response 38 of 60:
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Apr 30 15:56 UTC 2002 |
First priority is roof, then plumbing. After that we can start on the
kitchen. Floor has to be replaced, window as well from the water damage from
roof leaks. Then all the old cabinets and counters go. Stove will come in
about the time the new cabinets do so that they can be planned around it.
Since it is commercial quality I don't anticipate any problems with boiling
anything. The slowest (the simmer) burner is something like 15,000 BTUs.
I think the wok burner is about 24,000. Ovens are both conventional and
convection.
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jaklumen
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response 39 of 60:
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May 1 09:26 UTC 2002 |
resp:37 I'll have to ask again. Ben just said gas stoves weren't as
advantageous for canning.
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