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slynne
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response 15 of 41:
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Sep 12 11:38 UTC 2003 |
There are all kinds of problems with pot. There is a second hand smoke
issue for sure. I cant imagine that it is good for one's health to
smoke it. I dont smoke pot too often because I have noticed that it
makes me think more slowly for a day or so after I use it.
Making pot legal doesnt necessarily mean that society has to allow
smoking in public. One can still prohibit the use of marijuana while
driving.
resp:13 - I am not sure what marijuana commercials you mean. can you
describe them?
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other
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response 16 of 41:
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Sep 12 12:45 UTC 2003 |
You probably have to be high to appreciate them.
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slynne
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response 17 of 41:
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Sep 12 13:05 UTC 2003 |
YOu have to be stupid to appreciate them?
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mynxcat
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response 18 of 41:
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Sep 12 14:03 UTC 2003 |
As for the commercials, and I mentioned this in the other item, the first two
commercials irritated me rather than got me thinking (one was a pregnant teen
whose judgement had been impaired, the other was an accident cause by delayed
reflexes due to pot). All I thought when I saw these was "Hey, alcohol does
the same thing. Stop being hypocrites, if you're really concerned about these
issues, you should be working on making alcohol illegal)
The latest commercial, and it seems to be the most successful, it seems to
have been running for a long long time) hit the message home more effectively.
It's aboput a boy describing his brother who smoked pot and how he never got
into trouble or did anything, and ends with how he never did anything at all.
And I think that's the message that they should be working on sending. Instead
of making pot illegal, people should be made aware of the effects of prolonged
usage, or relying on these drugs to get away from their problems
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gull
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response 19 of 41:
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Sep 12 14:06 UTC 2003 |
The one I remember best involves some kids smoking pot in a dad's study.
They laugh and joke around, then one of them says, "Hey, you want to
see something cool?" He pulls a gun out of one of the drawers and
shoots the other kid with it. The message is supposed to be that pot
affects your judgement.
I guess I have two problems with that commercial. One is that it
logically works just as well as a gun control commercial. The other is
that it would apply equally well to alcohol.
Overall I don't think these commercials will be effective. They're too
over the top, too "reefer madness." I think they do more damage than
good. Kids have a way of finding out when they're being fed a line, and
if they find out that a lot of what they've been told by adults about
drugs is exaggerated, they're not going to believe genuine information
they're given, either.
Re #18 (which slipped in): Yeah, I agree. The problem is that message
doesn't mesh well with the absolutist "Just Say No" message the
government has been trying to push for years. They've staked a lot of
their credibility on the message that while alcohol can be used
responsibly in moderation, it's impossible for pot and other drugs to be
used that way.
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flem
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response 20 of 41:
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Sep 12 14:49 UTC 2003 |
There's a billboard up in Briarwood mall now which says something along the
lines of: "Lungs: not available in stores. [fine print] What are you willing
to give up to smoke marijuana?" I wanted to take a marker and cross out the
last word.
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mynxcat
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response 21 of 41:
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Sep 12 15:06 UTC 2003 |
Exactly. If they are passing on message like that, they should be targetting
the tobacco and alcohol market first. They're just coming across as hypocrites
IMO
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gull
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response 22 of 41:
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Sep 12 15:15 UTC 2003 |
It's not like there's been any shortage of anti-tobacco ads; they're just
not funded by the government, most of the time.
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mynxcat
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response 23 of 41:
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Sep 12 15:18 UTC 2003 |
There should be more of them, and there need to be a lot more anti-alcohol
ads besides just the "don't drink and drive" sponsored by MADD
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happyboy
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response 24 of 41:
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Sep 12 16:41 UTC 2003 |
the anti pot commercial fave of mine is:
there's a burger joint and in the car at the
ordering station are some young african american
(you know, irresponsible negro stereotype gangbangers)
getting silly and horfing on a *dooby*.
the scene replays over a number of times before
shazaam! they hit a girl on her bike
(AN INNOCENT WHITE GIRL!) as they're pulling away in a
beefy burger pot haze.
i cracked some people up (my wife included) when i yelled
at the screen "There wouldn't have been a problem if she'd
been in the car getting stoned!" when the commercial was showing
before whatever hollywood crap was about to come on.
the drug war is largely about race, it always has been.
love
happy "rev. al motherfuckin sharpton" boy-ee
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response 25 of 41:
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Sep 12 17:21 UTC 2003 |
Al Sharpton. The name alone is a comedy routine.
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scg
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response 26 of 41:
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Sep 12 17:34 UTC 2003 |
When I moved to California a bit more than three years ago, there were lots
of radio commercials attacking tobacco smoking on the grounds that the tobacco
companies were evil (marketing to children, and all sorts of other things),
and that when you smoke you're supporting to tobacco companies. The
commercials all ended with the tagline, "this message brought to you by the
tobacco tax."
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keesan
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response 27 of 41:
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Sep 12 17:34 UTC 2003 |
The government has less incentive to stop the use of tobacco and alcohol than
the illegal drugs because it can tax the former.
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dah
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response 28 of 41:
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Sep 12 18:07 UTC 2003 |
Just legalise them all and have fun as far as I could care what a care.
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gull
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response 29 of 41:
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Sep 12 18:38 UTC 2003 |
It will be interesting to see what happens if Canada decriminalizes
marijuana. If they do, and chaos doesn't ensue, it'll become harder to
argue against it here. I think that's a major reason the U.S.
government has been leaning so hard on them not to do it.
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rcurl
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response 30 of 41:
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Sep 12 18:45 UTC 2003 |
Regardless of whether it is tobacco or pot, I think *smoking* is a health
hazard - inhaling smoke from burning vegetation is still toxic. I think
that even if pot were legalized, there should still be a "anti smoking"
campaign and laws.
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lynne
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response 31 of 41:
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Sep 12 21:18 UTC 2003 |
re 30: Fine by me. Seems like anti-pot commercials are keying on the "it
makes you stupid" belief. I'd accept pot being illegal if they made being
stupid illegal too.
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slynne
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response 32 of 41:
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Sep 13 02:56 UTC 2003 |
re#30 - YES! There are lots of truthful bad things to say about pot.
There is not need to lie in advertising. One of my favorites is a young
couple in a doctors office being told they cant have children. Then,
the ad says that smoking marijuana decreases sperm count. What they
dont say is that the sperm count effect is temporary and that it doesnt
really lower it enough to keep people from having kids. In the back of
my head, I always wondered if any babies were conceived because some
dumbass saw that commercial and thought pot would make good birth
control.
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dah
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response 33 of 41:
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Sep 13 04:15 UTC 2003 |
"we're running this campaign to prevent stupidity caused by marihuana. people
so afflicted are our target market."
"you sure know your market, don't you?"
AHAHAHAHA
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md
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response 34 of 41:
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Sep 13 13:33 UTC 2003 |
Old NatLamp news item: "Disproving the myth that LSD causes genetic
damage, Grace Slick has given birth to a healthy seven-pound
wirehaired terrier."
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happyboy
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response 35 of 41:
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Sep 14 00:00 UTC 2003 |
/passes md a mello phat doobie.
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tsty
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response 36 of 41:
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Sep 16 05:41 UTC 2003 |
darwin lives ... and this is a surprise?
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i
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response 37 of 41:
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Sep 17 01:39 UTC 2003 |
From alcoholism to international crime, recreational drugs sure do cause
a huge load of problems. Spending $Billions$ per year for decades trying
to fight the problem hasn't done much good, either. (Being a knee-jerk
issue for politicians to posture on doesn't count as "doing good" any
more than enriching drug lords does.)
If it's legal and big business is behind it, we get loads of advertising
aimed at getting more people hooked on it.
Let's start by making alcohol, tobacco, and similar (quite popular and
not notably nastier than booze or smokes) drugs a goverment monopoly.
Set prices to discourage use somewhat, but too low to make illicit stuff
very profitable. Minimal "this stuff isn't very healthy" non-advertising
and quality/packaging/spin to make the stuff about as convenient & cool
as generic Preparation H.
This will outrage the upscale/premium/luxury market of course. So let
them make & sell their fancy beers/wines/smokes/etc. if they're 1) very
small scale, 2) substantially pricier than government-standard stuff, 3)
living within a tight set of regulations on quality, advertising, local
control, buyer age, etc., and 4) paying a substantial tax.
Not sure what to do about the nastier stuff. Given all the problems the
users & their supply chain cause, it's tempting to say "all the stuff you
can do is *free*...inside a sex-segregated government facility that you
aren't ever allowed to leave".
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oval
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response 38 of 41:
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Sep 18 16:43 UTC 2003 |
things work so well in amsterdam not simply because pot, hash, and mushrooms
are legal. people generally have a more tolerant view on the issues and do
not marginalize or look down upon drug users or drug/alcohol addicts. heroine
addicts are treated for their addiction as a health issue. people don't walk
around preaching or feeling guilt about their actions. everyone's responsible
for their own decisions, and help is there if needed. i actually smoke way
less pot here than i ever did in the states. the tourists smoke more than
anyone, arriving here and diving heaed first into this taboo that has been
kept from them in thier own country. it's sad, really. in my life i have known
maybe 1 or 2 people who i consider to be over-doing it with pot. they've built
up such a tolerance that they continually smoke all day and are still
productive. but they eventually end up getting all hyper and paranoid, but
quitting for a few days/weeks can stop this - as when they smoke again it will
hit them pretty hard. also pot used to be the only thing that remedied my
migranes after trying all sorts of medications etc.
alcohol is a much bigger problem, but i don't think it should be illegal.
people should be free without the state telling them how to live their lives.
it's much easier to make clear decisions if you don't have the fear of
punishment or guilt, or rebellion (in the case of younger people).
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happyboy
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response 39 of 41:
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Sep 18 17:45 UTC 2003 |
did anyone hear how the vote on the
"pot initiative" went out here in
seattle?
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