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Grex > Coop13 > #370: Nominations for the 2007 Grex Board of Directors | |
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cmcgee
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response 146 of 236:
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Dec 28 23:38 UTC 2006 |
mic, it would be helpful if you spoke for yourself, and did not pretend to
be a spokesperson for the majority of members. No one has elected you to
speak for the rest of us, nor have you made any attempt to elicit our
opinions.
I, frankly, don't appreciate your negative, immature style and think that,
rather than providing leadership, you have heavily contributed to the
divisive atmosphere here. Your "truth" is simply your opinion.
I believe that cross has maintained a relatively level-headed response in
discussion the problems with Grex, and has consistently tried to keep us
focused on solving problems, rather than on personalities.
The old way is not working. Cloistering ourselves for almost a year has
simply lead to a faster decline of our community. Forbidding users from
asking help questions because they don't have off-site priveleges is also a
fast way to reach a dead end.
I don't think that mary's sweeping generalizations about the proposed changes
are helpful either. Some changes to the current situation have to be made.
Not allowing new people to engage in our community is suicidal. Having an
innactive staff, that cannot solve problems they have been working on for over
a year is also suicidal.
I'm hoping that cross's election to the BoD will provide some impetus for
those changes. Perhaps I was wrong to withdraw from the election. I support
thoughtful changes that allow us to grow as a community. I support cross as
he endeavors to help the board and staff reach consensus on the methods we
need to use to make those changes.
I offer my talents to board and staff to try to get these changes made in a
positive way. But changes have to be made. The current isolation is not
healthy.
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keesan
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response 147 of 236:
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Dec 29 00:22 UTC 2006 |
Could the board secretary find the time to contact staff members and give
weekly reports on the progress of new user, email privileges, spam filter,
and the like? And invite suggestions?
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tod
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response 148 of 236:
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Dec 29 00:23 UTC 2006 |
Let's get back on topic. What does staff need to get newuser working?
Give us a list of "these would make the best approach and scenario" so we can
offer solutions.
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gelinas
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response 149 of 236:
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Dec 29 01:14 UTC 2006 |
At this point, we need a way to move people from an unprivileged group to the
privileged group. I *think* John Remmers is working on a script to that end.
We also need people to review the requests to be granted outbound access to
the Internet. I think we have several volunteers, but they may have thought
that they were volunteering to grant outgoing e-mail access.
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cmcgee
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response 150 of 236:
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Dec 29 01:23 UTC 2006 |
Clarification: outbound access is not simply for email, but for ftp, etc,
etc?
This is different from past practice. We currently require verified ID to
grant outbound access to the internet. In the past, we did not require
verified ID to send email outside the system.
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spooked
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response 151 of 236:
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Dec 29 01:33 UTC 2006 |
Sorry, but I will not paint a pretty picture when I know how fucked things
really are here. Call me immature - does not faze me.
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gelinas
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response 152 of 236:
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Dec 29 01:36 UTC 2006 |
Not quite. Traditionally and historically, we've allowed any one on grex to
use DNS, finger, http, whois, gopher, talk and ntalk. Newuser was closed
because someone was using even that limited access to attack our ISP.
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keesan
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response 153 of 236:
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Dec 29 02:07 UTC 2006 |
Only members have had outgoing ftp and telnet, but everyone could use a
browser and had incoming ftp and telnet and ssh.
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cmcgee
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response 154 of 236:
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Dec 29 02:54 UTC 2006 |
Ok, next clarifying question:
The proposal for non-techie volunteers to grant outbound access will still
only allow email, DNS, finger, http, whois, gopher, talk, and ntalk.
Verified ID will still be necessary for those wanting to use outbound ftp,
telnet, and other traditionally "members only" privileges.
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gelinas
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response 155 of 236:
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Dec 29 02:59 UTC 2006 |
Right.
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cmcgee
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response 156 of 236:
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Dec 29 03:00 UTC 2006 |
Thanks, I'll still volunteer then *grin*
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nharmon
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response 157 of 236:
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Dec 29 03:42 UTC 2006 |
Sindi reminds me of a former supervisor who would instruct us to call
AT&T every 20 minutes when a leased line went down. He felt that the
"squeaky wheel gets the grease" and the more we complained the more of a
priority we became. It had a negative effect. AT&T stopped escalating
tickets after they figured out we were asking for that on every single call.
Sindi, having the secretary contact staff on a weekly basis is not going
to be constructive. You should tone down your demands for everyone else,
we're talking about a lot of valuable time. I don't want staff to resent
the time they put in here.
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tod
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response 158 of 236:
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Dec 29 04:51 UTC 2006 |
On the flip side, it would be nice to have some accountability and at least
know what staff is up to and what they are not up to. Maybe there is a
timeframe for reporting they'd agree to?
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spooked
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response 159 of 236:
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Dec 29 10:42 UTC 2006 |
Staff put in time for staff work?
Seriously, that very rarely happens -- and, nor has it in the last couple
of years in fact. Whenever someone has a good idea (AND ACTUALLY WANTS TO
CONTRIBUTE!) it is repelled from the stunningly-appearing-out-of-nowhere
dynamic duo.
I can't see Grex moving forward without there being a change in the
mindset of the 'must run to Marcus/STeve for no ruffling feathers check'.
I have said this before. The problems on Grex are NOT technically
challenging. They are however political, and from this the only willing
people (and motivated to fix the problems) are discouraged and chased away
from doing so.
I hope you can finally realise this, if you have not by now! I'm not the
only former staff person who will tell you this. Some of them would not
even log in here anymore, because of the poor way they have been treated.
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remmers
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response 160 of 236:
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Dec 29 17:41 UTC 2006 |
I am resigning from Grex board and staff, effective immediately.
Although I have been a staff member for over fifteen years and a board
member for roughly half of those, the recent tenor of discussions in
this conference have clarified for me that my heart is no longer in
it and that I must take a break from Grex governance and staff
responsibilities. My thanks to those who supported me in the recent
board election, and apologies for any inconvenience my decision may
cause. I do plan to continue as an active user and member of Grex.
Article 4c of the bylaws provides for a special election to fill
vacancies on the board. I presume that one of the first orders of
business of the new board will be to schedule such an election.
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tod
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response 161 of 236:
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Dec 29 18:53 UTC 2006 |
Doesn't that make scholar your interim replacement since he came in fourth?
;)
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cross
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response 162 of 236:
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Dec 29 20:33 UTC 2006 |
Given that Remmers resigned after being re-elected, but days before the
convening of the new board (and days before his old term on the board
expired), but after the election, I propose that we avoid another special
election and make scholar, who did come in 4th in the election, remmers's
replacement on the next board.
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nharmon
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response 163 of 236:
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Dec 29 21:18 UTC 2006 |
I believe it was Steve that came in 4th place if you look again. And in
either case, I do believe that a special election should occur.
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keesan
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response 164 of 236:
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Dec 29 21:47 UTC 2006 |
I would prefer to have a new election. The board can still convene minus one
member. Remmers, thanks for all your good work.
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slynne
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response 165 of 236:
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Dec 29 21:55 UTC 2006 |
I am really sorry to see you go, remmers. But I can understand
completely why you want to take a break. I am glad that you still plan
to be active here.
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cross
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response 166 of 236:
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Dec 29 22:57 UTC 2006 |
Nate is Right; Steve came in 4th.
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spooked
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response 167 of 236:
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Dec 29 23:45 UTC 2006 |
Thanks remmers.
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tod
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response 168 of 236:
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Dec 30 00:15 UTC 2006 |
Sorry to see you go, R E M M E R (S). (Perhaps you need thicker skin? j/k!)
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cross
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response 169 of 236:
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Dec 30 00:16 UTC 2006 |
D'oh!
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cyklone
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response 170 of 236:
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Dec 30 00:32 UTC 2006 |
Thanks for everything remmers. And feel free to keep posting on mnet no matter
what others say.
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