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jazz
response 146 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 14:48 UTC 2003

        The two views aren't inconsistent.  Great desperation usually makes
people behave in completely selfish ways;  it's difficult to see the pain of
others when one is in great pain one's self.  It's a productive way of seeing
things, though, to realise that someone was in enough pain that they didn't
think (and probably couldn't) of what they were doing to the people around
them, and it motivates some people through tough times to stay alive.
dewshine
response 147 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 15:56 UTC 2003

 Thank you to all. And I think I'll stay out of the debate on suicide being
selfish.
mooncat
response 148 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 16:44 UTC 2003

<hugs Staci>
tod
response 149 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 18:55 UTC 2003

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anderyn
response 150 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 19:07 UTC 2003

I can't hate the person I know who did it. I miss her far too much. I will
always miss her. I will always wonder if I could have done more. It's been
over six years, and it still feels like a hole in my life. I have felt angry
that she didn't take the help that was offered (and it was offered, by many
people) but in the end, the fact that she's gone is much more to the point
than any other fact -- I wish she weren't.
dewshine
response 151 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 20:00 UTC 2003

 re #149
 Thank you for your comfort, but I have to agree with Twila. There is no way
I could ever hate Victor. Even more so now that he is gone. 
 While suicide is somewhat selfish, it is also very selfish to hate someone
because they are no longer around. What about the things the person was going
through at that point in time? Are they supposed to suffer needlessly because
we are attached to them?
 I do not hate Victor, nor am I angry at him. I'm sad he's gone, and I dont
understand it. But he made his own choices, and even if we think they werent
the best, they were his to make.

  re #148
 Thank you, love. :hugs Anne:
void
response 152 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 20:48 UTC 2003

   I'm very sorry to learn about your loss, Staci.
jaklumen
response 153 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 21:43 UTC 2003

I have been there, and so I very deeply empathize.  I miss Tom a lot.  
But all I got was an obituary in the mail, and so the closure was 
rather... muted.
tod
response 154 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 9 22:15 UTC 2003

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jazz
response 155 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 00:44 UTC 2003

        Fair enough, but that's your way - and mine.  Not hers.  She's chosen
her way to see things.  Just respect it.
glenda
response 156 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 01:56 UTC 2003

Also consider that Staci is only 15 and this is the first time she really has
had to deal with this sort of thing.  Grandma was 96 and it was expected, our
friend Kelly died when Staci was 2, so she really doesn't remember it.  These
are the only deaths she has had to deal with.  I think she is taking it
remarkably well and with the right attitude.
dewshine
response 157 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 04:40 UTC 2003

 I'm sorry mother, ubt this isnt my first real death. Victor is about the
fourth person this year, aside from family and Kelly. The difference being
Victor was a close friend, the others being people I barely knew.
 Todd, I can understand what your saying, but I dont agree with it. I'm not
quite sure what else there is to say about it..
 Again, thank you to all for kind words.
tod
response 158 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 04:41 UTC 2003

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other
response 159 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 13:28 UTC 2003

<hug>
glenda
response 160 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 14:20 UTC 2003

I meant deaths of those who had close ties.
edina
response 161 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 15:11 UTC 2003

Either way, I was going to comment to Glenda and Staci that A) Staci, you seem
to be (from a totally on-line perspective) handling things well, and B) I'm
sorry.  I watched my cousin go through losing one of her best friends when
she was a junior and it was hard to see her bearing that much pain.
furs
response 162 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 16:50 UTC 2003

Oh wait, I'm bummed cause I'm back from my awesome vacation.
tod
response 163 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 17:08 UTC 2003

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furs
response 164 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 18:39 UTC 2003

Wait!  You're squishing the hiker!
tod
response 165 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 19:29 UTC 2003

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flem
response 166 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:43 UTC 2003

Gonna be at work late tonight.  :P  (On the plus side, I'm paid hourly, so
at least it isn't unpaid overtime.)
jules
response 167 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 23:49 UTC 2003

my left knee is a little sore.
other
response 168 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:20 UTC 2003

I wasted several hours today trying to get answers from tech support 
regarding my inability to get a network connection through the hub on my 
desk at DCI.  Eventually, I was informed that the switch had been 
replaced with one that only allows a single connection per downstream 
line.  That configuration is absolutely counterproductive for the work I 
do.  It means I have to occupy a separate cubicle for every laptop I work 
with at one time (in addition to the one my desktop machine is in).
jiffer
response 169 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:54 UTC 2003

IBB I have come to the realization that my sister-in-law (the one that is the
mother of my neice) is only nice to me when she wants something from me. 
Otherwise, she considers me beneath here... I have concluded that I will not
paint her wall fresco or make her pillows in a fit of immature spit. These
observations where brought to my attention by my mother who found it rude of
said sister-in-law. 
dcat
response 170 of 594: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 01:16 UTC 2003

IBB after three weeks in California, my parents are finally (probably) coming
home on Tuesday.
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