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klg
response 144 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 03:37 UTC 2006

Good excuse.  (By the way, nothing is "free."  You really mean that you
just want someone else to earn them money to buy it for you.)  

All together now, Kumbaya.
bru
response 145 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 03:53 UTC 2006

interesting.  I can really see the discrepancies in pay where I currently
work.  We all do the same job, but some of us make more than the other guy.

on the low end, we have one guy making 6.50 an hour.  I on the other hand am
making much more than that.  So the boss gives him the OT, and I am not
complaining even though I am not making the OT I was promised.  on the other
hand, one of my co workers has been there for several years, and she works
80 hours a week.  So she is probably getting paid more per hour than I am,
and gettting 40 hours of OT in top of that.

Yet she does no more than the rest of us, why is dhe getting all the OT?
happyboy
response 146 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 06:18 UTC 2006

re144: hey kerry, whyncha answer cyklone's question.
       are you a coward?
twenex
response 147 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 09:43 UTC 2006

Re: #135.

Yes, Nate does think the rich will redistribute wealth on their own. Yes, it
does run counter to the teachings of history and yes, it would be funny if
it weren't so ridiculous.

Re: #136. Taxes aren't stealing. If nobody paid taxes, how exactly would one
pay for defence?

Re: #143. Yes, but you're an idealist.
scholar
response 148 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 10:20 UTC 2006

WHOEVER CREATED YOUR MOTHER"S VAGINA WASN"T ONE< AHAHAH< MAN IS THAT THING
EVER SMELLY
twenex
response 149 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 12:02 UTC 2006

You're a blithering idiot.
nharmon
response 150 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 12:25 UTC 2006

The world that Sindi is describing has been seen on this planet. Except,
those worlds had some very ugly sides to them. Slavery comes to mind.
This is because if everyone works leisurely, somebody else has to kick
it in the dick to make up for that in order to keep the standard of
living up. Of course, we might all be able to live like Sindi (not that
there is anything wrong with how Sindi lives), but a lot of people want
better than that.

Re #147:  I don't believe the rich will redistribute their wealth. Which
post did you get that idea from? The rich hold onto their money, which
is why I agree that a progressive income tax is necessary. As for taxes
being stealing, I believe that when our government takes taxes for the
purpose of wealth redistribution, that is theft. It violates the lockean
principles that government's role is to protect life, liberty, and
property. This does not include providing such things (hence the whole
gurantee of the pursuit of happiness and not happiness itself).

Taxes are necessary to the point necessary for our government to function.

This all goes back to the idea of entitlement people have in regards to
other people's money. You are not entitled to benefit from my hard work.
If I want to share the spoils, that is my choice. You don't get to force
my choice.
twenex
response 151 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 13:07 UTC 2006

Too many contradictions to bother pulling apart.
cyklone
response 152 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 13:58 UTC 2006

Nate, do you honestly believe the over-paid CEO is working 1000 times harder
than someone on the factory floor or in R&D?
jep
response 153 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 14:14 UTC 2006

Regarding my teenage stepdaughter having a job next summer: I don't 
understand the questions.  Why *wouldn't* she have a summer job when 
she will be 16 years old?  Yes, she will be saving for college.  She'll 
be driving by then and helping to pay for her car.  And she'll be 
building skills which will get her through her life, like showing up to 
work on time and doing a good job, and even applying for work (and 
being turned down by people before she gets one.)  Unless she's either 
physically incapable or has some important educational goals to 
accomplish, of *course* she will have a job. 

I certainly expect she will have a job this summer, but the minimum 
wage doesn't go up until October, so I directed my attention into the 
future a year.
jep
response 154 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 14:44 UTC 2006

It's not up to me to decide if CEOs and professional athletes are worth 
1000 times as much money as I get.  They can get someone to pay them 
that much.  I cannot.  I could not do their jobs even if I were paid 
the money they get.

It's not up to me to decide if I'm worth 3 times as much money as my 
wife gets.  I know she works a lot harder than I do.  She's a janitor.  
Almost anyone could do her job.  I'm in software support, with 20 years 
of specialized skills.  There are few who can do my job.

This is America.  If you don't like what you're doing, or how much you 
are making, you can at least try to get into something else.  Americans 
watch 20+ hours of TV per week on the average.  There are a lot of 
people in despair over their lifestyles who could be using their time a 
lot more wisely than they are.

My wife is in a nursing program.  A year ago, she was working full 
time, raising 3 kids on her own, and taking classes at night.  It was 
tough, but she decided it wasn't as tough as being a janitor for the 
rest of her life.  Due to timing of certificate programs in our area, 
it will be another year before she can complete her program and become 
a nurse.  But when she does, she'll have improved her life.  It can be 
done.

And -- this is important -- there's no other way out of the financial 
cellar.  Increasing the minimum wage will not get very many people out 
of poverty.  It won't allow anyone to buy a home or send their kids to 
college.

I don't mind the minimum wage going up, as I said yesterday.  It may 
provide a little financial relief for some people who desperately need 
it.  I am for that, but it's just not going to help very many people 
very much, or for very long.
jadecat
response 155 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 15:52 UTC 2006

John, out of curiosity- what certification is she going for?
jep
response 156 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 15:54 UTC 2006

I think it's CNE -- certified nurse.  But I don't know much about the 
different grades of nurses.
richard
response 157 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 15:59 UTC 2006

re #138 think klg think, bill gates is the EXCEPTION, the extreme exception
to the rule.

keesan
response 158 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:00 UTC 2006

The reason some people make millions is because thousands of other people are
working very hard.

A 16 year old does not need a car.
edina
response 159 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:01 UTC 2006

It very much depends on where that 16 year old lives.  
twenex
response 160 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:08 UTC 2006

It's ok, Bill Gates & Co. make up for their charitable giving with lots of
other shenanigans.
keesan
response 161 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:18 UTC 2006

It sounds like the job would pay less than the car costs, and I can't think
of any reason a kid needs a car other than to get to a job.
edina
response 162 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:19 UTC 2006

It depends on the car.
jadecat
response 163 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:23 UTC 2006

resp:156 CNA=Certified Nursing Assistant, LPN=Licensed Practical Nurse
and RN= Registered Nurse. :) My Hubby is going for the RN (via a
associates degree, nursing at LCC) although at the end of the next term
he can take the LPN licensing exam. 

resp:161 A 16 year old may also have friends that they want to see and
parents may a- not want to drive them every where, and b- teach levels
of indpendence, trust and self-reliance to their child.
jep
response 164 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 16:27 UTC 2006

Children are educated in any number of ways by their parents and other 
elders.  My stepdaughter will be educated in, among other things, 
driving a car.  This in turn will present her with the opportunities to 
learn responsibility for driving safely and maintaining the car, as 
well as the need to provide the resources for the opportunity she will 
have.  Additionally it will substantially help her mother and me, as we 
won't have to drive her to some of the various activities which make up 
her life.  (These include band practices, medical appointments, 
shopping trips, etc.)  She will be able to drive to school.  Remember 
that, until this week, she couldn't walk across the room without pain, 
so someone has had to take her to school.

In short, Sindi, driving is in many ways a good thing.  The decision on 
whether it is worthwhile, and whether it should be allowed, are complex 
matters which are highly dependent on individual circumstances.  Her 
mother and I are familiar with all of those circumstances.  Further, we 
have the responsibility of watching out for her welfare.  And, we have 
the accompanying power to make the best decisions for her.  Finally, we 
have our own resources and the power and ability to manage them as we 
see fit.  With all due respect, it is not your decision whether my 
stepdaughter should have a car.  I hope you will be able to recognize 
this and somehow manage to deal with the fact that she is going to have 
access to one, even though, if you had a 16 year old, he or she may not 
be driving.
klg
response 165 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 17:18 UTC 2006

Why is sindi so concerned about the realively few millionaires, when 
the thousands of people working real hard are living lives that 100 
years ago even royalty could not enjoy?
slynne
response 166 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 17:19 UTC 2006

Working hard is a virtue. I think that most people here can agree on 
that. However, raising the minimum wage does not reward the lazy but 
rather encourages work. 

klg
response 167 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 17:30 UTC 2006

(If their jobs are not eliminated or cut back.)
slynne
response 168 of 176: Mark Unseen   Mar 17 18:04 UTC 2006

Indeed. Raising the minimum wage would not be a good idea in a labor 
market with a very elastic demand for labor. But since the labor market 
we are currently in seems to have a an inelastic demand curve for 
unskilled labor, I'll go out on a limb and say that raising the minimum 
wage might be a good idea. 

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