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jmsaul
response 141 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 8 18:05 UTC 2002

Good riddance to them, as fas as I'm concerned.
krj
response 142 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 05:28 UTC 2002

found it!  The New York Magazine article referred to a Wall Street Journal
item; usually the WSJ stuff is not freely available, but this story
was made available as a cautionary tale for children...  :)
 
http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/0502_mdia.htm

                  MCA Records spent about two
                  years preparing Carly
                  Hennessy for pop stardom,
                  and about $2.2 million to
                  make and market the
                  18-year-old singer's first pop
                  album, "Ultimate High."

                  But since "Ultimate High" was
                  released in stores nationwide
                  a few months ago, it has sold
                  only 378 copies-amounting to
                  about $4,900 at its suggested
                  retail price. ...

Wonderful story!
jp2
response 143 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 05:31 UTC 2002

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jmsaul
response 144 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 14:23 UTC 2002

#142 brings a tear to my eye.  I'm proud of the American public.
aruba
response 145 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 14:50 UTC 2002

I think musical tastes were well on the way to slintersville before the net
became something a lot of people used.
scott
response 146 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 17:14 UTC 2002

Great interview/article about David Bowie in today's NYT:
"The absolute transformation of everything that we ever thought about music
will take place within 10 years, and nothing is going to be able to stop it.
I see absolutely no point in pretending that it's not going to happen. I'm
fully confident that copyright, for instance, will no longer exist in 10
years, and authorship and intellectual property is in for such a bashing."

 "Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity," he
added. "So it's like, just take advantage of these last few years because none
of this is ever going to happen again. You'd better be prepared for doing a
lot of touring because that's really the only unique situation that's going
to be left. It's terribly exciting. But on the other hand it doesn't matter
if you think it's exciting or not; it's what's going to happen."


http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/09/arts/music/09PARE.html?todaysheadlines

Sounds like (as usual) Bowie has been thinking a few years ahead of most
people in the music business.
bru
response 147 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 21:13 UTC 2002

who is carly hennessy?
scott
response 148 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 22:04 UTC 2002

Carly Hennessy was given as an example in one of the articles Ken posted
yesterday.
oval
response 149 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 03:18 UTC 2002

it's great to see people so optimistic. i can't wait, if they're right.

russ
response 150 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 11:48 UTC 2002

Re #147:  That's *exactly* what I'd like everyone to ask about all
the acts which the RIAA tries to manufacture via their hype machine.

If I hadn't seen N'Sync plugged on T-shirts and sniped at by Foxtrot,
I might still be ignorant of them.  The nice thing about such creations
of hype machines is that if everyone stops paying attention to them
they soon cease to exist.
dbratman
response 151 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 18:14 UTC 2002

And a good thing, too, that musical tastes are splintering.  Whenever I 
see a movie set, say, in the 1950s, it's always filled with the pop 
music of that era, and I think, "If I'd lived back then, I would have 
had to hear that crap all the time _whether I wanted to or not_."  (I'm 
thinking to myself, I'm entitled to call it crap.)

Of course, nowadays I have to hear hip-hop whether I want to or not, 
usually while I'm waiting at red lights in traffic, but at least I 
don't have to hear too much of it.

oval
response 152 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 21:42 UTC 2002

i'll happily take hip-hop over shit-pop.

flem
response 153 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 14:20 UTC 2002

Dunno if this is the right item, but I read yesterday that some ReplayTV
users are suing Turner for saying that skipping the commercials is theft. 
I could probably find the URL if I tried.  
jazz
response 154 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 20:01 UTC 2002

        It's not theft;  you're not taking something that Turner's not giving
away for free.  At worst, it's a breach of an unspoken contract.
tpryan
response 155 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 23:51 UTC 2002

        It's the defamation of character the Turner is doing, to call
it's veiwers "Theives".
scott
response 156 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 03:26 UTC 2002

"In a continuing effort to maintain their image as evil incarnate" is how a
slashdot item on record company consideration of attempting to charge
royalties on sales of used CDs.  The referenced article can be found at:
http://www.sduniontribune.com/news/business/20020614-9999_1b14usedcds.html
gull
response 157 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 20:09 UTC 2002

Re #146: France tried eliminating copyright, after the French revolution.
It resulted in a major reduction in the amount of creative works
produced there. I'd hope we won't make the same mistake.
other
response 158 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 16 05:30 UTC 2002

might lead to an overall improvement in the quality of the works actually 
produced...
gull
response 159 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 13:27 UTC 2002

I'd expect a decrease in quality, personally.  It's the people who are good
at what they do who have the most to lose.
mcnally
response 160 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 23:21 UTC 2002

  re #157:  I've never heard that before.  Do you know whether other factors
  (such as the loss of aristocratic patronage) were accounted for?
gull
response 161 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 12:33 UTC 2002

I don't know.  I did find this reference with a web search, though it
appears to be a college student's paper:

http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:UnEL9Hlq8KwC:skipper.gseis.ucla.edu/st
udents/dwalker/html/projects/documents/IS-200_Heirs_of_the_Enlightenment.rtf+fr
ench+revolution+intellectual+property&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Sorry for the long URL, it's a Google-converted HTML version of a Rich Text
document.


"In freeing the presses, it appears that the National Assembly intended to
break the monopolistic hold of the book guilds, allowing the great literary
works of the Enlightenment to be printed and circulated freely, as well as
allowing new works to be published without censorship.  The result, however,
was far different.  Having essentially dissolved all copyright, pirating of
new and older works became widespread.  Although slanderous and libelous
pamphlets circulated widely, the publication of books came to a virtual halt
as both authors and publishers found that rampant pirating made the
publishing of books economically unfeasible.  Rather than foster creativity,
the freedom of the presses stifled creativity."
dbratman
response 162 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 21:36 UTC 2002

Not that it proves anything, but French music had been in kind of the 
doldrums anyway through the later 18th century, and produced few 
masterpieces after Rameau's death in 1764 until Hector Berlioz came 
roaring in after the Restoration, in the late 1820s.
krj
response 163 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 03:02 UTC 2002

Slashdot points to a bunch of stuff about the Librarian of Congress'
decision on webcasting royalty rates and record keeping requirements.

The short version is that the proposed rates were cut in half
-- the 50% discount for on-air radio broadcasters was eliminated, 
setting the rate at $0.0007 per listener per song.  Mainstream 
media calls this a win for webcasters; Internet media says that 
half of vastly-more-than-total-revenues is still more than total 
revenues, and most independent webcasters in the USA are finished.  
 
To make things worse, everyone who has webcasted has to pay a bill 
for the four previous years' royalties, at this rate, and it's due 
this October.  Many independent and student stations are expected
to be bankrupted.

Slashdot readers report that some online webcasters have already 
started to shut down.  A few sympathetic congressmen are making 
noises.  The RIAA is complaining that the rate set by the Librarian
of Congress is too low.
jmsaul
response 164 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 04:40 UTC 2002

Wait for legislation on this one, if enough congresspeople get pulled in. 
This isnt a final resolution by any means, and Congress has been looking
increasingly suspicious of the RIAA lately.
krj
response 165 of 165: Mark Unseen   Jun 22 20:04 UTC 2002

  ((Metadiscussion:  the "Napster" items are linked between Music 
    conference and each season's Agora.  The Agora conference has now
    rolled over to Summer; I'll start The Eleventh Napster Item in 
    a couple of days, so other folks have a chance to get things in 
    Agora first;  sooner if there is any big news.))
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