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Grex > Coop13 > #37: New fair witness of the language conference! |  |
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rcurl
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response 14 of 78:
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Dec 2 06:48 UTC 2003 |
I would welcome active (and appropriate) participation from naftee in
the language conference, as well as specific suggestions for its
management.
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willcome
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response 15 of 78:
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Dec 2 07:58 UTC 2003 |
I, for one, fully support naftee's bid to coup d'etat rcurl (and his ass).
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naftee
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response 16 of 78:
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Dec 2 14:59 UTC 2003 |
re 13 I've given some of my suggestions on interface improvement in response
#6 . To create those, I would have to be FW of the conference. I would also
be able to link items that users such as rcurl would forget. Additionally,
there are some cool things with backtalk which I'd like to explore more.
Perhaps updating the web interface with hyperlinks. These are very rough
ideas.
re 14 I would like to manage or co-manage it, it would be easier. See above.
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mynxcat
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response 17 of 78:
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Dec 2 16:09 UTC 2003 |
Yuo can help fw the international cf, naftee. I'd be happy to have you
on board.
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gelinas
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response 18 of 78:
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Dec 2 16:58 UTC 2003 |
Response #6 speaks in generalities. Which shortcuts do you think would
improved the language conference?
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rcurl
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response 19 of 78:
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Dec 2 17:53 UTC 2003 |
I'd be glad to implement any improvements in language if there is some
concensus they are desirable. Some of what naftee proposes in #6 concerns
the Backtalk interface: these would require staff approval and
implementation. naftee can implement advertisement of the conference any
time he wants. None of the things naftee suggested there requires FW
status.
In regard to my saying that I was about to forget that Polish item (I had
not done it yet) before davel suggested the link, I was making a comment
*after* his suggestion, as a participant in agora. I couldn't read the
item and although it was in Polish, it wasn't about Polish. Even if I did
forget the item for myself (that wasn't a foregone action), that would not
have interfered with anyone else's participation in the item, nor would it
have interfered with anyone sending me e-mail to suggest the link (this is
a common procedure anyway). What hints were given that some participants
would prefer to exercise Polish in the language cf rather than in agora?
willcome, I think, in #15, brings up what may be the real issue. I
referred to both naftee and willcome in the current agora as "jerks" for
some very jerk-like responses they entered. This issue smells a lot like a
counterattack.
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remmers
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response 20 of 78:
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Dec 2 18:31 UTC 2003 |
I'd have to agree that Rane hasn't demonstrated any inadequacy as
a fairwitness in any of this.
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davel
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response 21 of 78:
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Dec 2 19:44 UTC 2003 |
I already said the same. Rane's doing a fine job.
Re one point in #19: I don't use backtalk myself, Rane, but I suspect that
there are some FW-customizable things regarding that interface. As you said,
naftee never said anything specific (beyond like-some-conference-on-Mnet),
so it's hard to know what he wants on this; but it probably is something that
wouldn't require staff intervention, at a wild guess.
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willcome
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response 22 of 78:
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Dec 2 20:49 UTC 2003 |
Re. 19: There are certain Backtalk features only an FW is allowed to use to
modify a conference. (You should know that.)
What SHOULDN"T be allowed, however, is your nonsense accusation that I am
using this issue to "counterattack" you. I don't really care who FWs the
conference, and I don't really care that you called me a jerk. I think you
should apologise, whore.
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glenda
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response 23 of 78:
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Dec 2 20:52 UTC 2003 |
Do we really want or need conferences on Grex to be "like-some-
conference-on-Mnet"? They are 2 separate and different systems. I
like it that way and see no reason why they should resemble each other.
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willcome
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response 24 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:40 UTC 2003 |
Xenophobe.
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rcurl
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response 25 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:55 UTC 2003 |
Apologize for what, willcome?
If any Backtalk features need to be changed/fixed, and an FW can do it,
I would be glad to. But I don't use Backtalk. My responsibility is
language, not Backtalk.
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willcome
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response 26 of 78:
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Dec 2 21:59 UTC 2003 |
I think you should apologise for accusing me of "[counterattacking]" you.
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willcome
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response 27 of 78:
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Dec 2 22:01 UTC 2003 |
R. 25: Unless one's FW of a conference, he can't very well be expected to
know which specific features are available; unless naftee's an FW, he can't
tell you, as an FW, to do.
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naftee
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response 28 of 78:
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Dec 2 23:35 UTC 2003 |
re 17 I'd love to help out with the international conference.
re 18 For instance, a user could type 'hello' at the Ok: prompt, and
it would show them what the word hello is in twelve different
languages. Stuff like that.
re 19
>Some of what naftee proposes in #6 concerns
the Backtalk interface: these would require staff approval and
implementation.
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is why another FW
is needed.
> I referred to both naftee and willcome in the current agora
as "jerks" for some very jerk-like responses they entered. This issue
smells a lot like a counterattack.
Perhaps you did, but that's not the issue.
re 20 You don't participate in the language conference. How are you
to judge this?
re 21
>but it probably is something that
>wouldn't require staff intervention, at a wild guess.
Yes, that is the whole point of a fairwitness.
re 23
>Do we really want or need conferences on Grex to be "like-some-
conference-on-Mnet"? They are 2 separate and different systems. I
like it that way and see no reason why they should resemble each other.
You've taken that quote entirely out of context. I was making a
comment on the interface of the conference, not the content. In other
words, you have nothing to fear.
re 25
>My responsibility is language, not Backtalk.
Once again, this is why another FW is needed. A fairwitness'
responsibility is towards the conference.
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rcurl
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response 29 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:07 UTC 2003 |
Traditionally, FWs volunteer and are accepted because they will be fair
witnesses. One can always learn the computer stuff. One just asks, and
there is a lot of ready help available. It is not essentially a *technical*
position.
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naftee
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response 30 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:12 UTC 2003 |
Read response #0. My reasons for volunteering were originally not
technical. Rather, as 'untechnical' as one can get in an electronic
BBS.
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willcome
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response 31 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:15 UTC 2003 |
29: when are you gonna apologise?
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glenda
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response 32 of 78:
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Dec 3 01:18 UTC 2003 |
Why should the interface(s) of Grex be like those of Mnet. Again,
they are different systems and should not look or feel the same.
Difference is good. Do you want all your friends' homes to look the
same as yours and everyone else's. It would get very boring very fast.
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willcome
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response 33 of 78:
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Dec 3 02:18 UTC 2003 |
Why, then, do you support changing to OpenBSD? That's more similar than SunOS
is to M-Net's interface, which, face it, is already virtually identical to
Grex's. I don't see how adding useful features to conferences is going to
make them boring.
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naftee
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response 34 of 78:
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Dec 3 03:57 UTC 2003 |
re 32 You have no idea what you're talking about. Read my above responses.
In none of them did I mention I'd make the language conference look like a
conference on m-net. Please drop that line of argument.
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gull
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response 35 of 78:
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Dec 3 14:32 UTC 2003 |
Adding features to Picospan isn't within a FW's capabilities.
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jep
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response 36 of 78:
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Dec 3 15:03 UTC 2003 |
That's actually not quite correct.
For the text interface the fw can define aliases of Unix commands for
his conference, using (I think) the .cfrc file. He can also cause
other Unix commands to be executed for each user who enters the
conference (though individual users have the capability of evading
these commands). I've heard of people using fw powers to prevent
unwanted users from posting, having people logged out upon entering the
conference, or making every response containing a code word appear to
be personally directed toward the person joining the conference.
For the WWW interface, the fw can define links within the conference
WWW page, and also define colors and background images for the
conference. (The Backtalk and Sports conferences here on Grex, and
possibly others, use these capabilities.)
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gull
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response 37 of 78:
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Dec 3 15:11 UTC 2003 |
Hmm. Thanks for the correction.
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remmers
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response 38 of 78:
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Dec 3 16:16 UTC 2003 |
I plead guilty to the "code word" one. The Mary Poppins filter,
used originally on M-Net, and once here as an April Fool joke.
Seriously, though, this capability of Picospan, as implemented, is
a security hole that ought to be plugged.
In any case, a user can exempt themselves from any FW changes by
putting the line "set nosource" in their .cfonce file.
I am skeptical that the changes proposed by naftee would have much
benefit.
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