response 15 of 96:

Dec 13 17:59 UTC 2000

I don't know that most people voted for Gore rather than Bush -- how about
those who voted, say, Green party, or Libertarian, or just chose not to vote
for President? I mean, to me, it's much more likely that a lot of people chose
not to vote, because they didn't like the choices...

response 17 of 96:

Dec 13 17:59 UTC 2000

#15 slipped in.

response 19 of 96:

Dec 13 18:26 UTC 2000

I would have *loved* to have ALL of the votes recounted in Florida.  But a
certain group was very much opposed to having ANY vote recounted.  The failure
of the recount rests on their heads, not on those who were given the choice
of only settling for a partial recount.

Last I heard, the recount mechanism required looking at all the untabulated
votes, both over- and under-votes.  But that got lost in the general effort
to stop _any_ recount, didn't it?

Rather than creating another 51 electors, I think we should work to eliminate
the "winner-take-all" rule.  We can only do it in our own states, but that's
enough for me:  Let's make sure that Michigan is NOT a "winner-take-all"
state four years from now.

Richard, you can do the same for New York.

response 21 of 96:

Dec 13 18:47 UTC 2000

He didn't say "90K Gore votes weren't counted."  He said "90K votes were not
counted."

And things *were* set up ahead of time to count those votes.  Some people
chose to ignore the mechanism for recounting, though.  This debate will
continue without resolution.

response 23 of 96:

Dec 13 21:03 UTC 2000

Re 15.  If you're responding to me, I said "of those who made a choice"
between Gore and Bush, Gore got the majority.  I didn't say he got a
majority of all votes cast.

response 25 of 96:

Dec 13 21:17 UTC 2000

(Sorry, mistyped in previous.)

Re 20. "90K Gore votes weren't counted - utter bullshit."
 
Are Republicans always this dishonest?  I said that there were an
estimated 90,000 uncounted votes in Florida.  NOT "90K Gore votes"!
Probably at least 30,000 of those 90,000 votes were for Bush.  And some of
the others were for Nader, Buchanan, etc., etc. 

Kevin made my statement a lie by changing it, and having made it a lie,
he ridiculed me.  This is typical of the "arguments" and obfuscations that
are being made to defend the indefensible Bush "win".
 
Had the punch card ballots been examined, statewide, by ANY reasonable
standard, and even 10% of them counted votes, Bush's tiny margin would not
have survived.
 
Now watch for the Florida legislature to repeal the "sunshine" law and
seal the ballots so that the election theft will not be revealed.  An
admission, in other words, that the election was stolen.

response 27 of 96:

Dec 13 21:25 UTC 2000

re:  #16 of 26: by Rane Curl (rcurl) on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 (12:59):
 Are you immortal? A lot of people die in a four year period, and many
 of those will suffer more, depending upon the outcome of *this*
 election. I think " another election in just four years" is a rather
 heartless perspective.

So your guy lost.  Suck it up, get a grip, and move on.

response 29 of 96:

Dec 13 21:33 UTC 2000

Don't worry, I'm moving on... I'm already building up a collection of
poison nicknames against Caligula Bush and the other Republinazis which 
will make the usual Rush Limburger nicknames look tame.

The next couple years oughta be pretty fun.  The Republinazis will either have
to pass a lot of hard-to-swallow liberal stuff or else put up with some truly
scary villification... and either way, the next election won't treat the
radical right so nicely.

response 31 of 96:

Dec 13 21:38 UTC 2000

Get a grip and grow up.

response 33 of 96:

Dec 13 22:08 UTC 2000

Perhaps for you, but not for me.

response 35 of 96:

Dec 13 22:46 UTC 2000

I think you are confusing the next 4 years with the past 8.

response 37 of 96:

Dec 13 23:41 UTC 2000

Did you hear about little Jebbie Bush's recent run-in with security at a
shopping mall? (Didn't think so... it wasn't covered domestically. Just
another "My dad will fix it" story that... ends with dad fixing it.)

Bush has been convicted of a criminal offense, and Cheney of two. How many
convictions does Clinton have, again? Zero, you say? So... what was your
point again?

In any event, anybody who sees this as vindication for Bush is either
dishonest or deluded. Gore would have had to deal with similar taint of his
Presidency had the recount been completed, but now it's Bush's problem.
His image as a word-mangling, drug using heavy drinker seems cast in stone
with the stand-up comics and late night talk show hosts. He has a lot to
overcome.