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Grex > Micros > #199: FreeBSD, Linux, or other PC Unixes? |  |
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toking
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response 138 of 257:
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May 11 18:22 UTC 1999 |
as a matter of curiousity: I know that you can get to a dos partition
from any (right?) of the PC unix things, but can you get to a non-dos
partition from Windows 95 or DOS?
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pfv
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response 139 of 257:
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May 11 22:51 UTC 1999 |
No. M$ is completely igerment.
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dang
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response 140 of 257:
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May 12 03:07 UTC 1999 |
Actually, I believe Windows 98 knows about NTFS.
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rtg
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response 141 of 257:
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May 13 05:54 UTC 1999 |
there may be another alternative....
I believe that RedHat 5.2 CD-ROm is bootable itself. I also believe
that there is a 'demo mode' which will create ramdisk, and then call for
mounting of the 'live filesystem' CD which is included in the boxed set.
This will let you get a feel for working with Linux without making any
permanent changes to your system. Of course, it's dependent on having a
PC that can boot from CD. Mine are all too old, so I can't try this
myself. You said that your floppy drives have been disabled. I wonder if
they also disabled the boot from CD option in the bios, as well.
This method would give you a clean system every time you booted it, so
you couldn't do much in the way of customization. The next step would be
to create an UMSDOS filesystem. This does not require re-partitioning,
but instead is a unix filesystem creatted within a DOS file. for that
matter, you can do a full linux installation in a UMSDOS filesystem.
Unfortunately, all my spare hardware is sitting right here at my feet in
Michigan. The shipping charges to India would be much greater than the
hardware is worth. For that matter, this weekend I'll be attending a
convention in Dayton, OH which is reputed to be the largest electronic
flea market in the world. Typically, sunday afternoon the parking lot is
littered with hardware the vendors don't want to haul home. I wish I
could think of a way to send you a container full of PC parts!
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cb311
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response 142 of 257:
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May 13 15:09 UTC 1999 |
The RedHat 5.2 CD is indeed bootable. all you need is a BIOS that supports
booting from CDROM. Any motherboard manufactured in the last year should
support it.
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dang
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response 143 of 257:
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May 13 17:13 UTC 1999 |
I don't remember an option, however, to boot a live system directly from
the CD. The live-system-from-cd option I saw required a minimal
partition on the HD, I believe. Granted, the last time I looked at it
was quite a while ago. BTW, RedHat 6.0 is out.
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toking
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response 144 of 257:
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May 13 18:07 UTC 1999 |
I'm pretty sure you can go straight off the CD...you can in FreeBSD 3.1
anyhow...
(but considering how much I actually know about the subject; "ignore the
dancing monkey")
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dang
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response 145 of 257:
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May 13 21:23 UTC 1999 |
Here is what the RedHat 5.2 FAQ says on the subject:
E.6.12.1 Question
I would like to be able to use the live file system on the cdrom to
boot.
E.6.12.2 Answer
Red Hat Linux no longer supports the Live boot feature due to the change
to a modular kernel. Because of this change, booting from read-only file
system is not practical. The cdrom does contain data in
its /live section that can be executed in rescue mode, but one needs to
set the PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variables.
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cb311
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response 146 of 257:
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May 14 00:43 UTC 1999 |
re #145... what exactly does that mean?
Re Rh 6.0. yeah Redhat 6.0 is out.. I ordered it for $1.99 at
linuxcentral.com not a bad price if you don't have a need for the manual
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dang
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response 147 of 257:
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May 14 01:26 UTC 1999 |
It means you can't boot the live system on the CD-ROM. It's only there
for the rescue disk.
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cb311
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response 148 of 257:
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May 14 02:51 UTC 1999 |
I have been able to boot the RH 5.2 CD...that is how I installed it. was that
not supposed to happen?
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dang
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response 149 of 257:
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May 14 17:59 UTC 1999 |
No, you can boot the CD to install. You can't, however, boot the *live*
filesystem on the CD. Theoretically, you could boot a real, complete
system from the CD. However, since the advent of kernel modules, you
can't have them on a read only file system (don't ask me why) so you'd
need at least one filesystem not on the CD, so they don't see a point in
allowing you to boot the one on the CD except for rescue purposes. (I
hope that was clear enough...)
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cb311
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response 150 of 257:
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May 14 20:25 UTC 1999 |
the question is.. who would want to boot a live filesystem from the CD anyway?
i mean everyone has a hard drive.
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pfv
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response 151 of 257:
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May 14 23:01 UTC 1999 |
Well, it's real HARD to mung up a R/O filesystem that CAN'T become
writable, no matter what..
And it frees up the HDD for all the files that change..
Think about it.
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remmers
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response 152 of 257:
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May 14 23:24 UTC 1999 |
Isn't CD ROM access slow compared to a typical hard drive?
Also, these days everybody not only has a hard drive, they have
an eighty bazillion gigabyte hard drive. Plenty of room for the
full OS and plenty more.
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scott
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response 153 of 257:
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May 14 23:26 UTC 1999 |
Info World magazine a couple weeks ago had a columnist mention the Caldera
6.0 release of Linux. Evidentally it had a very friendly graphical install,
and would even set itself up a partition on the same disk as Windows 95 in
a very cooperative matter.
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gull
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response 154 of 257:
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May 15 00:14 UTC 1999 |
Re #152: I think the point is that you could play around a little with
Linux before deciding whether to go through the trouble of repartitioning
your drive.
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darbha
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response 155 of 257:
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May 15 06:23 UTC 1999 |
Well ! Since i think i was the one who started it all, maybbe i should
be a bit concerned about it. I have almost given up the idea of working on
Linux. Fortunately, my brother recently purchased a COMPAR Presario . So i
think i would try it out (this booting from Read only file system is still
a good idea for novices like me probably,who cannot actually say that their
HDD is theirs). But the major problem is that my brother stays in a different
place than i am and both these are 600km apart. So i guess..it is stilla
problem.
BTW, someone said Redhat 6.0 is much easier to install and can even partition
the disk...if that is true i guess m y job is further simplified.
Thank you Rick, Marcus, Daniel, Scott , John and others.
systems guys...Hope they won't take me to task..:):)
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darbha
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response 156 of 257:
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May 15 06:37 UTC 1999 |
Missed a thing about "involuntarily switching companies"...not a bad idea
actually..every one's job is simplified..even the HR'S ..as they are finding
it difficult to maintain a lot of Y2K professionals in herewith out any work
and salary still...some sort of white professionals...much like whit
elephants (Indian Public sector loss making companies).
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russ
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response 157 of 257:
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May 16 00:52 UTC 1999 |
I'm sorry, that last response was a bit confused. Would you care to
re-phrase with an emphasis on simplicity and clarity? Thanks.
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darbha
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response 158 of 257:
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May 16 09:03 UTC 1999 |
Forget it russ if it is not clear. It is for Marcus...sorry anyway.
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jshafer
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response 159 of 257:
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May 19 00:13 UTC 1999 |
Hey, FreeBSD Release 3.2 was released the other day. I should be
getting my CDs in a week or so, so if anyone out there needs to borrow
them let me know... I'm in the southwest corner of Michigan, but plan
to head up to Ann Arbor sometime in the next few weeks...
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mdw
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response 160 of 257:
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May 19 06:33 UTC 1999 |
The problem with involuntarily switching companies is it doesn't look
good on one's resume.
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darbha
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response 161 of 257:
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May 19 11:18 UTC 1999 |
Wish my client had asked me for an on-site assignment in U.S..no non-bootable
floppy drive problems...no pestering people on BBS..no involuntary switching
of companies...hmmmmm..WISH I WAS THERE..
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russ
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response 162 of 257:
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May 19 12:24 UTC 1999 |
We pester people on BBS's here too. We even switch companies
involuntarily, sometimes. It's not paradise.
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