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edina
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response 136 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:50 UTC 2006 |
Rane slipped.
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tod
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response 137 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:04 UTC 2006 |
re #135
That's a whole other topic altogether...I've seen some chicks that double
their weight with a pregnancy and then never lose the weight afterward. Oh
man..that could be an entire conference in bbs for discussion.
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marcvh
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response 138 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:06 UTC 2006 |
A couple of my relatives have had the bypass surgery, but they are
apparently unable (or unwilling) to change their eating habits,
particularly with respect to drinking high-calorie beverages (mostly
milk, I think.) The upshot is that, for them, the surgery has not
been effective. Personally I think they might have had better luck
seeking treatment for their compulsive overeating disorder instead
of seeking surgery, but I guess that's easy to say when you're
talking about someone else.
#134 sounds like a "you are in a helicopter" response.
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richard
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response 139 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:10 UTC 2006 |
its also drinking alcoholic beverages. If you are going to drink a 12 pack
of beer or two bottles of wine a day, you may as well not have the surgery.
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tod
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response 140 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:11 UTC 2006 |
Know alot of fat winos?
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edina
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response 141 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:14 UTC 2006 |
Drinking alcohol I have pretty much given up 100%. I'll still have the
occasional glass of port (like once a year) or a sip of margarita. It's
turned me into a total "lightweight". Hah!
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scholar
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response 142 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:15 UTC 2006 |
:)
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marcvh
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response 143 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:17 UTC 2006 |
Re #140: Yes, I use M-Net.
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tod
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response 144 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:18 UTC 2006 |
<shoots coffee out nose>
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scholar
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response 145 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:20 UTC 2006 |
:(
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keesan
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response 146 of 378:
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Mar 7 23:02 UTC 2006 |
Re the cost per passenger of obesity - by 600 million passengers I presume
they mean not that 600 million different American flew in one year (there are
not that many Americans) but that a fraction of Americans made a total of 600
million flights, at an extra 45 cents per flight. For those who fly every
week, it could add to $25-50 depending whether they are counting one-way or
round-trip flights.
How would people feel if overweight people were given a smaller baggage
allowance, instead of 2 70 lb suitcases and 40 lb carryon or whatever it is
now? Subtract from your baggage allowance the difference between your current
weight and your ideal weight, with a correction for BMI since some people are
more muscular and not fat. Think how much fun it would be to check in
everyone and do BMI measurements on them if they had luggage!
Someone (Rane?) claimed that fat people were simply unwilling to diet. Rane,
have you ever dieted to lose weight? Dieting makes you hungry, I presume,
and maybe short-tempered, and unhappy.
Depression and weight gain can both be caused by hypothyroidism. A friend
of mine was just diagnosed after 18 years of symptoms (by a naturopath - she
can't keep a job long enough to make enough money for health care).
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gull
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response 147 of 378:
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Mar 7 23:17 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:21: I think what this article is saying, and what you're
getting at, is that it's not being "fat" that's bad for you, it's being
out of shape, and that the two aren't the same thing. But this is a
hard sell for Americans, who want visible results without effort --
they want to be thin but they don't want to have to do what it would
take to be physically fit.
Re resp:44: The information on being underweight is interesting. I've
been about 40 pounds underweight for nearly my entire adult life so far
according to BMI charts. Over the last few years I've gained a little
weight, so the deficit is now down to 20 pounds. I wonder if this is
something I should be concerned about? I'm always a little reluctant
to talk about it because most people seem to want to lose weight, and
it seems like twisting a knife in their back to talk about the fact
that maybe I should gain some.
Re resp:59: I stop eating when I'm full, but always feel slightly
guilty about not finishing, having been ordered to "clean up my plate"
all the time as a kid. (To be fair, we were kind of poor at the time
and couldn't really afford to waste food.)
Re resp:103: "So could smoking tobacco. Drinking alcohol has religious
connotations for some as well. That's why its legal to smoke in Indian
casinos where otherwise a state has made smoking in public illegal."
Actually, no, that's because they're a sovereign nation and are exempt
from most state laws.
A better example is that recent case where a church was allowed to use
a hallucinogenic tea that is banned by the DEA, because it's part of
their religious ceremony.
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tod
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response 148 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:04 UTC 2006 |
I had an article on the Seattle Ferry system paying a ton of cash to retrofit
the seating to accomodate the larger butt size which keeps increasing over
the past couple decades.
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cyklone
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response 149 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:11 UTC 2006 |
Yup, those types of articles pop up more and more frequently these days. The
Coast Guard and FAA are redoing many of their safety calculations because the
"average" American is porking up. Some may disagree, but I suspect those costs
add up to real money.
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scholar
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response 150 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:14 UTC 2006 |
whoa!
speaking of obesity, 6'1" me went from about 145 lbs to about 190 lbs.
NOW, at first, i blamed this on the CRAZY medications i was prescribed for
being so CRAZY, but then, uh, just today i went back to check for sure and
it turned out that, uh, the medications i was on while it happened DIDN"T have
weight gain listed as a side effect.
NOW< i scratched my shiny new STRETCH MARKS and wondered WHAT THE FUCK COULD
IT BE?!
WELL, now i remembered when, uh, a few months back, i was tested for THYROID
JUICES, and, uh, the first test said i was LOW but the second said i was
MARGINALLY NORMAL.
NOW< UH< WELL< i sort of realized i fit a bunch of symptoms for
HYPOTHYROIDISM. SPECIFICALLY, WEIGHT GAIN, DECREASED LIBIDO, CRUMMY MEMORY,
and, uh, PROBABLY DEPRESSION AND IRRITABILITY.
NOW, uh, tomorrow i'm going to call my family doctor and book another
appointment!
ALSO< UH< IT WAS PROBABLY WHOEVER POSTED ABOUT HYPOTHYROIDISM IN THIS ITEM
(IFORGETWHOSEECRUMMYMEMORY) THAT MADE ME RECONSIDER THIS> THANKS< BRO<
WHOEVER YOU ARE.
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tod
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response 151 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:25 UTC 2006 |
I fit that description too you rotten bastard..mm..let's go buy ice cream!
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slynne
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response 152 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:47 UTC 2006 |
resp:117 It isnt that people necessarily say that in so many words. But
people do occasionally make very negative comments about my weight. Even
here on grex it happens once in a while (I seem to remember some
comments in the coop conference) and once in a while someone will leave
really hateful comments on my blog...usually perfect strangers. Those
comments bother me the least though because I figure that anyone who
would do that is pretty much an asshole and not worth worrying about.
But there are more subtle things. Things that I didnt actually notice
myself but somehow internalized anyways. Luckily, I had a really good
therapist when I was in my 20's who helped me realize that just because
a lot of people think bad things about fat people, that doesnt mean that
I have to believe those things about myself. One example of the more
subtle things is the way people often call other people fat and mean it
as a character flaw.
resp:126 Actually, I used the men weigh more specifically as an example
because gender is a state of being. I may not have convinced you that
weight is a state of being and not a behavior but I do have to wonder
where you get the idea that it isnt? Certainly it isnt based on research
on the success of dieting. But ok, I havent convinced you. I think I can
live with that. You havent convinced me that fat people cost society a
significant amount of money either. FWIW, while I dont think a "carb
tax" would be helpful because I dont think all carbs are bad, I actually
wouldnt be against taxing certain foods because that is a tax on a
behavior and not a state of being. How about a tax on high fructose corn
syrup and trans fats for a start?
resp:127 FWIW, I started smoking when I was 15 because one of my friends
told me that smoking keeps people from gaining weight. I dont have
anything to say about that other than that I clearly was not as smart at
15 as I thought I was at the time. Obviously, it didnt work anyways.
resp:134 There is no argument that if one takes in fewer calories than
one burns up, one will lose weight. However, as a person loses weight,
their metabolism slows down and they have to further decrease the number
of calories to lose weight. It is worth noting that people who have
gastric bypass surgury often end up maintaining a normal weight on
something like 800-1000 calories a day. That is a very low amount. Now
consider that another part of the equation is appetite. Most people who
eat 1000 calories a day or less find that they are very hungry. Hunger
is a normal function of the human body and while it is true that a
person can ignore it, I dont think it is resonable to expect them to do
it. A gay friend of mine who was raised in a family full of fat people
compared it to being gay. If you are a gay man, sleeping with other men
is clearly a behavior. But his body or his mind or whatever makes him
want to do it even though there is a lot of pressure in our society for
gay people not to. In order to fit into mainstream society, he would
either have to not have sex or sleep with women. Both are behaviors but
in his case, they are behaviors that go against who he really is. It
would mean he would have to go against his own sexual desire. And so it
is with fat people. Yes, I could choose to eat a very low calorie diet
in order to conform to society's norms. But doing so would mean going
against normal internal body cues like hunger.
resp:146 Why measure a person's BMI? I mean it is is weight alone that
matters when one considers the consumption of fuel. They could weigh
everone at check in and then charge everyone an additional forty five
cents for every ten pounds they are above average and make them pay
right that. A person who is 100 lbs overweight would have to pay $4.50
extra. If an infant is "flying free" then the infant's weight would be
included with the ticket buying passenger's. I suppose they could give a
discount to people who are under the average weight too. Twenty pounds
under weight? Here's your ninety cents! Somehow I think the cost of
weighing people at check in isnt worth it to them.
resp:147 FWIW, even if those studies corrected for seriously ill people
who as keesan has pointed out tend to lose weight because of their
illnesses, I wouldnt worry too much about being underweight. It might be
a risk factor but certainly not as big of one as not exercising might
be.
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rcurl
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response 153 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:56 UTC 2006 |
keesan noted "Someone (Rane?) claimed that fat people were simply
unwilling to diet. Rane, have you ever dieted to lose weight? Dieting
makes you hungry, I presume, and maybe short-tempered, and unhappy."
Being "hungry, I presume, and maybe short-tempered, and unhappy" is the
excuse given for people to be unwilling to diet. If they would stop making
excuses and *just did it*, they would lose weight. To attain any goal
requires an effort at self discipline and even some inconvenience.
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marcvh
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response 154 of 378:
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Mar 8 01:04 UTC 2006 |
Are there any studies indicating the success of giving obese people
lectures on self-discipline? How often does it work?
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nharmon
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response 155 of 378:
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Mar 8 01:07 UTC 2006 |
I think the major problem is that people think they can lose in a few
weeks, weight they've spent years building up. If it took you 7 years to
go from moderately healthy to obese, what makes you think you will have
your weight back down in 4 months?
This is why it takes a lifestyle change. Weight is best lost over time.
No doctor is going to tell you that its healthy to drop 100 pounds in a
month.
> as a person loses weight, their metabolism slows down and they have to
> further decrease the number of calories to lose weight.
As I understand it, the major cause of metabolism slow down is because
of vitamin deficiency. That is why if you are dieting, you should
definetely take a multivitamin. Keeps the metabolism going.
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nharmon
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response 156 of 378:
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Mar 8 01:08 UTC 2006 |
Re 154: Never, same goes for alcoholics and cigarette smokers.
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gull
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response 157 of 378:
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Mar 8 02:10 UTC 2006 |
Rane reminds me of people who say that homosexuals can turn straight if
they want it badly enough, or that people suffering from depression
just need to "snap out of it."
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keesan
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response 158 of 378:
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Mar 8 03:04 UTC 2006 |
Rane, have you ever dieted to lose weight? Not everyone is fortunate enough
to be a healthy weight without being hungry all the time, some people have
metabolic disorders, unlike you.
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naftee
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response 159 of 378:
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Mar 8 04:04 UTC 2006 |
tod spikes his coffee at work
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slynne
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response 160 of 378:
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Mar 8 04:44 UTC 2006 |
One of my favorite blogs is Feministe. Today, one of their writers had
an interesting post about the magazine Redbook, an issue they had where
they showed pictures of women of various sizes and some of the anti-fat
reaction it got.
http://w.ick.ca/5065
I thought this part was interesting:
"With obesity comes a series of health risks. Anorexia brings a lot of
health risks with it, too. So does smoking, working in a nail salon, and
coal-mining. The difference, of course, is that we don t teach smokers,
nail salon employees, and coal miners that they should be ashamed of
their very existance; that they re universally unattractive; and that
they re lazy, stupid, and justly on the receiving end of bigotted jokes.
This is what we tell fat people."
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