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dang
response 128 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 22:18 UTC 1999

I agree.  No blinking.
gregb
response 129 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 04:27 UTC 1999

I've been to other conf systems, like Electric Mind, that allow HTML 
tags, and things seem to work out fine, for the most part.

One thing that could help, is to set up a conf. for those who want to 
try out HTML.  This will give people a place to get use to it before 
taking it into the regular confs.  Granted, not everybody will be so 
accomidating, but I think the majority would.

Oh, and I agree with the others:  <blink>NO BLINKING!</blink>  (Yes, I 
know it won't work.)
janc
response 130 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 20:43 UTC 1999

When the new Backtalk goes live, it will have a feature in it that
allows fairwitnesses to disable HTML posting in their conference if they
so please.  There are definately some conferences where HTML posting
would be very nice - web, auction, enigma and test come to mind.

The BLINK tag has been on our banned list since day zero.

However, animated GIFs are still possible.
danr
response 131 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 22:54 UTC 1999

As soon as it's up, i think we should have a contest for the worst animated
gif. :)
orinoco
response 132 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 3 23:37 UTC 1999

There's already a test conference, which could be used for trying out HTML
and whatnot.
jazz
response 133 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 14:05 UTC 1999

        Finally someone who bans blinking tags.

        Now if only we could ban MIDIs entirely ...
remmers
response 134 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 22:14 UTC 1999

Re HTML responses in Backtalk: I agree with STeve in resp:120 that this
should have its own discussion item. HTML conferencing would represent a
major change to the user interface, and like other major changes to Grex
- the internet connection, outgoing internet access policy, anonymous
web reading, etc. - there should be user discussion and input prior to 
making a decision on installing it. Coop would be the appropriate
conference.

I will say that I tried out the 'backtalk' conference using the new
version of backtalk, and it really does do HTML.
janc
response 135 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 23:34 UTC 1999

I've installed a much newer version of Apache on Grex.  You shouldn't
notice any difference.  If you do, let me know.
remmers
response 136 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 20:58 UTC 1999

Re resp:123 - I notice that Backtalk doesn't process the first URL
correctly. It should treat the ">" as a terminator, but doesn't.

Jan has entered an item in Coop to discuss HTML in Backtalk postings.
It's item 82 (item:coop,82).
mwg
response 137 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 14:49 UTC 1999

Unless Grex has plans to ban all non-HTML access, web pages should be the
only place it is allowed.  While it is possible to read past the rubbish
when using telnet, I don't usually waste my time on it.  HTML popping up
is a fairly swift way to chase me off a system.
remmers
response 138 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 17:29 UTC 1999

Backtalk produces a plain-text version of each HTML response entered. 
Picospan will always show you the plain-text version, so normally there 
shouldn't be rubbish to read past.

I think there are some issues regarding HTML posting that warrant 
discussion. As noted earlier, the discussion is happening in Item 82 of 
the Coop conference (item:coop,82).
albaugh
response 139 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 16:06 UTC 1999

I don't know how anyone "bans" a blink tag...  Meanwhile, please note that
many animated .gif files regularly crash various versions of Netscape,
especially if used in combination with Javascript.
scott
response 140 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 19:36 UTC 1999

Backtalk apparently (according to Jan) will be doing things like making sure
tags are closed, etc.  Certainly if the HTML is submitted thru the Backtalk
interface it is possible to remove any blink tags before putting the stuff
into the file.
janc
response 141 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 21:03 UTC 1999

Yup.  Javascript in responses is also not going to work if the response
is submitted through Backtalk.
other
response 142 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 02:11 UTC 1999

what will happen if lazily tagged html is entered through picospan?  will
backtalk fix that in showing it, even though it won't be able to edit the text
for picospan readers to clean it up?
scott
response 143 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 12 11:53 UTC 1999

Jan's version (heck, maybe I should let Jan answer questions about his own
software ;) ) will be putting the HTML in a different place than the Picospan
text.
other
response 144 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 06:23 UTC 1999

i mean if somone is running picospan and enters an html response, say, without
proper close tags...
scott
response 145 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 11:49 UTC 1999

I would guess the same thing that happens now... Backtalk doesn't actually
*do* anything, so you see the tags as is.
aruba
response 146 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 13 21:25 UTC 1999

I'd like to announce that I have closed the last auction item with bids on it,
so the auction is over unless someone bids on something which has thusfar been
overlooked.

Thanks to everyone who donated things to the auction:

arthurp, aruba, atticus, beccap, beeswing, bhaalu, cmcgee, coyote, danr,
headdoc, hematite, janc, jep, jh, jiffer, keesan, mary, mary's sister Pat,
misha, mta, omni, aruba's roommate Paul, remmers, Carol's brother Rick,
srw's co-worker Rick, tpryan, valerie, wolfg676, and zook.

And thanks to everyone who bought something (and paid for it :)):

andyb, aruba, atticus, beeswing, bkwdbuny, brighn, bruin, cmcgee, coyote,
dea, desolato, devnull, fungster, gypsi, happyboy, janc, jep, jiffer,
jshafer, kami, katie, kentn, krj, misha, mooncat, mta, n8nxf, n8rxs, omni,
orinoco, otaking, otter, phenix, roadtrip, robh, rosie0, rtg, scott, snow,
toking, tpryan, and valerie.

Here are the current totals:

Status                    Count    Total
------                    -----    -----
Open items                   11
Closed but unpaid items      39   479.00
Paid but undelivered items   28   336.01
Delivered items             171  1033.75
                            ---  -------
                            249  1848.76

Thanks everyone!
scott
response 147 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 00:02 UTC 1999

Thanks for all your work, Mark!
mary
response 148 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 13:03 UTC 1999

(Mary stands and applauds Mark.)
danr
response 149 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 14 22:34 UTC 1999

<<danr thanks aruba>>
valerie
response 150 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 20:34 UTC 1999

This response has been erased.

srw
response 151 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 21:05 UTC 1999

if you open a tag that needs closing, backtalk will close it in your 
response so that it does not pollute following reponses. 

thanks Mark!

Backtalk (even the old version) does seem to have a bug in the 
clickifying logic as reported in resp:136. That's my department. I'll be 
working on a fix for it.
srw
response 152 of 156: Mark Unseen   Mar 15 21:05 UTC 1999

I updated the telnet page on our website - it was vadly in need of this.
see http://www.cyberspace.org/info/telnet.html
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