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keesan
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response 128 of 239:
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Nov 29 22:47 UTC 2003 |
Good luck with the html. The only html mail I get is spam.
Can you reinstall Eudora?
My short question. Where can I find a brief introduction on how to compile
linux programs from source code? Someone sent me a shell script for choosing
options (to compile lynx) and I found the source code (.tar.gz file) but how
do I combine the two?
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mcnally
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response 129 of 239:
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Nov 30 00:38 UTC 2003 |
Start by uncompressing and extracting the source code, e.g.:
tar xzvf source.tar.gz
(do this in some directory that's a good place to keep source,
like your home directory or /usr/local/src or something like that,
not in a system directory like /bin or / )
Most archives unpack into their own subdirectory of the current
working directory, so change directory into wherever the source
has unpacked itself, eg: cd lynx-x.yy
Under the top level directory of an unpacked source archive you
will virtually always find a file titled either "README" "INSTALL"
or some other name that marks it as a logical place to start.
Read the document for instructions on how to configure, compile,
and install the package. In most cases this process consists of
editing one or more makefiles and include files (typically in
places indicated by surrounding comments) and then compiling with
"make" and installing (once "make" is successful) with "make install")
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keesan
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response 130 of 239:
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Nov 30 01:18 UTC 2003 |
Thanks, I may try this first with photopc (which produces a 49K exe file for
Debian but I seem to have found the wrong Debian version). Then with Lynx,
for which someone sent me a shell script. I may have more questions later.
In the past two days we just put our linux computer together but have not
installed the compiler files yet. 120MB of them. The rest of linux is half
that size including five browsers.w
To install a .tar.gz file (generic) in Slackware I presume I follow some of
the above procedure to decompress into subdirectories and then move the files
to the proper locations in the regular directories, right? I have Opera as
a tar.gz file, also ratpoison. Or is there some easier way?
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mcnally
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response 131 of 239:
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Nov 30 04:45 UTC 2003 |
A tar file is a collection of files stuck together into an archive
by the "tar" command. (Historical note: the name "tar" comes from
"tape archive" but tar proved useful for much more than just putting
files on tape..)
A .tar.gz file is just a tar file compressed using the gzip utility.
You used to also see .tar.z files (made with the "compress" utility)
and these days you'll often see .tar.bz (bzip2 utility..) Linux's
tar command has an extra flag that tells it to compress/uncompress
the file it's working on so that you don't need an extra step in your
command line, so the "tar xvzf lynx-x.yy.tar.gz" command above should
uncompress (-z) and extract (-x) the file (-f) lynx-x.yy.tar.gz
while telling you (-v) what it's doing.
Once all the files are extracted from the compressed archive the
process will include:
a) configuring the package options,
b) compiling the source into executables and/or other files, and then
c) installing the finished product into
Typically once you do (a) according to instructions, the "make" command
takes care of step (b). Once you're satisfied that (b) worked right,
most packages are set up so that "make install" will put the finished
products in the right places. You will usually need to be root for the
"make install" step to work properly, unless you have configured the
package to avoid installing in a public directory.
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keesan
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response 132 of 239:
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Nov 30 13:20 UTC 2003 |
I am always root on my little linux. The author of the DOS version of lynx
(which I helped find one little bug in with his help) sent me a shell script
which he said to use to configure the makefile(s) and he also explained how
to make an error log of the compilation process. Your brief explanation
combined with his longer one are starting to make sense. To make a Slackware
.tgz package I think I would, before the makeinstall step, use something like
'makepkg' to compress the compiled files into an archive that someone else
could install.
My other question was how to install packages ending in .tar.gz that were not
designed for Slackware, such as Opera. After decompressing them, is there
some easy way to move the files to their correct places? The file that I
extracted from a .deb package worked like a Slackware file but Opera ended
up in its own directory not on the path and was looking for some file it could
not find (related to unicode) when I tried to use Slackware's installpkg.
Someone in the linux mail list that I have subscribed to (for basiclinux, a
small SW based linux) will explain this soon if you cannot. I can wait.
I was told to compile the latest version (with patches) of ncurses and openssl
and make a static version of lynx which will be larger than a shared version.
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tpryan
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response 133 of 239:
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Nov 30 14:56 UTC 2003 |
The instructions never make sense until you execute them correctly.
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mcnally
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response 134 of 239:
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Nov 30 19:10 UTC 2003 |
All kinds of things may come packaged in .tar.gz (aka .tgz) bundles.
My comments only apply to source code archives, and not even to all
of those.
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keesan
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response 135 of 239:
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Nov 30 22:05 UTC 2003 |
Thanks. Today I tried to compile photopc. Unfortunately the author decided
to bundle the source code together with the dos and win binaries in a .zip
file. We used pkunzip on it and it truncated a few file names which I
renamed. It changed Makefile to makefile which I renamed. It changed
config.h.in to config.h, which already existed, so we have to extract them
separately. It compiled something anyway but now it is looking for
/dev/photopc as a device and I need to relearn how to set this up in some file
that defines devices. Apparently I was supposed to edit Makefile but I did
not. Configur(e) checked a few things about the computer. Make made the
binary file.
Which file do I define /dev/photopc in? Not in my index (SW 3.2 book).
I knew this six months ago before I got sick.
THere is a Slackware infozip.tgz package with zip and unzip that will work
with DOS files, says my book. I wish it would talk to me about defining
devices. Might be time to takethis to jelly conf.
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keesan
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response 136 of 239:
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Nov 30 23:13 UTC 2003 |
I unzipped photopc.zip properly and looked at Makefile and there was nothing
to change (unless I wanted to compile for dos or win instead of unix/linux).
./configure gave me a long list of things about my computer and took 30
seconds. Make said 'all' and took 1 sec and produced photopc. Make installput
photopc and another binary and some doc and man files where they belonged.
I had to type ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/photopc for it to recognize the camera
in com1 as a device and it worked!!!
Thanks for explaining this. It was simpler than I thought.
THe rpm program still won't work - can't find some dependencies that are on
my computer - so now I will compile antiword from source code instead ofusing
the precompiled rpm version. Then lynx 2.8.5, which might take longer.
I compiled links at grex which took several hours. It must help to be the
only user.
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keesan
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response 137 of 239:
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Dec 1 01:52 UTC 2003 |
I just compiled antiword (converts WORD 2-2002 to text or ps).
There was no configure file so I could not configure.
There were lots of Makefile's for various UNIX platforms including one with
no file extension which turned out to be the default, for Linux.
I typed make and it made a bunch of .o files from the .c files as well as a
couple of executable files.
I typed make install and then ran the program.
This was incredibly fast, perhaps 2 minutes total.
My first compiling experience (on grex - shared SunOS system which kicked me
offline every 15 minutes) was luckily atypical.
Next I compile lynx and opera!
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gull
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response 138 of 239:
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Dec 1 15:25 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:127: Does Internet Explorer work? If you're using Windows, Eudora
relies on the Internet Explorer DLLs to render HTML, so if your IE settings
are wrong you may have problems. (This also means you need to keep IE up to
date. Any security holes in IE also tend to affect Eudora.)
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bhoward
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response 139 of 239:
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Dec 2 23:04 UTC 2003 |
Two quickies.
Is there an easy way to tell which conferences on grex are most (or most
recently) active?
Secondly, way back in the early days of picospan, we used to have a cool
little command that would show who was currently in which conferences...a
finger command of sorts for picospan. As I recall it was highly specific
to the system iii unix we were running on the altos and disappeared due
to the difficulty of maintaining it.
Was this command ever revived? It was a neat way to seeing "where the
action was" on a given evening of heavy conferencing. I remember people
sometimes used it to sometimes create "flash crowds" in a conference
resulting in some very interesting item discussions (anyone remember tz?)
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naftee
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response 140 of 239:
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Dec 2 23:12 UTC 2003 |
Try check or checknew . backtalk also has something like that for all
conferences.
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remmers
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response 141 of 239:
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Dec 2 23:39 UTC 2003 |
Re #139: I remember the "who is in" command. As far as I know, it's
long long gone.
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tod
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response 142 of 239:
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Dec 2 23:42 UTC 2003 |
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gelinas
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response 143 of 239:
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Dec 2 23:44 UTC 2003 |
I recently stumbled across the "participant" command. Interesting. :)
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tod
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response 144 of 239:
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Dec 3 00:23 UTC 2003 |
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goose
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response 145 of 239:
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Dec 3 04:24 UTC 2003 |
I recently discovered "users".
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bhoward
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response 146 of 239:
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Dec 3 06:25 UTC 2003 |
(Yeah, that's what I expected, John. I've hacked up a script that
vaguely approximates it but it's too slow for the current hardware.
Maybe can try it again once we swap in nextgrex.
It's a pity picospan doesn't maintain it's own version of utmp that
could hold information like who is in what conferences, what item are
they currently reading, responding to, etc.
Might make the conferencing system a bit more transparent and draw in
folks that currently only hang out in party by giving them a stronger
sense there is another place "where the action is")
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remmers
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response 147 of 239:
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Dec 3 12:12 UTC 2003 |
Might also raise some privacy concerns.
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jep
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response 148 of 239:
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Dec 3 14:15 UTC 2003 |
Dave Thaler put info about who logged in to what conference into YAPP,
and as a result, the "participants" command for YAPP is speedy enough
to be usable.
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twenex
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response 149 of 239:
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Dec 3 14:26 UTC 2003 |
Re: 146: A program-specific *replacement* for utmp? How bogus; surely you mean
"A utmp-like file"?
How did a free (for non-members) system pay for System III? Running Linu, 3rd
Edition says that AT&T System V costs "around $1500", in 1999 (cue discussion
of the greediness of AT&T and the [formerly?] established system vendors).
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bhoward
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response 150 of 239:
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Dec 3 14:56 UTC 2003 |
My wording was poor; I meant "too bad it doesn't have its own
utmp-like file that could hold..."
Mike Myers was a very generous person and forked out a lot of money for
the altos...something on the order of USD30000 in 1984 dollars I believe.
I'm not certain what portion of that was hardware costs versus OS
licensing fees. Given the era, I would guess the software was largely
thrown in and much of the cost was for the hardware.
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tod
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response 151 of 239:
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Dec 3 17:05 UTC 2003 |
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gregb
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response 152 of 239:
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Dec 3 18:43 UTC 2003 |
1) What's the difference between "Hide" and "Unseen" in Backtalk?
2) In backtalk, is there a way to "ignore" a user?
3) Anybody aware of a bug in Mandrake 9.2 involving creating a bootkisk?
I keep getting a "mkbootdisk failed" error during installation. I'm
also having trouble putting the bootloader on a floppy. These
problems DIDN'T exist in 9.1.
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