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keesan
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response 125 of 150:
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Jul 29 14:09 UTC 2003 |
Marriage can save one of the parties thousands of dollars in health insurance.
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twenex
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response 126 of 150:
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Jul 29 14:18 UTC 2003 |
Bruce - okay i accept i probably went a bit too far there, so having done i
can only sincerely apologise; you got my back up (my fault as much as yours)
and when that happens i have an unfortunate tendency to respond in kind.
I accept that you don't feel comfortable with homosexuality, but i think
perhaps you might be more comfortable in yourself if you just ignored it. I
have experience myself of being pissed off that some people can act in certain
(to my mind unreasonable) ways; i just had to accept that i can't individually
lay down the law on what people do in their private lives; i hope that at
least we can agree to disagree and accept (anybody got a thesaurus) that we
have different views on this.
I don't by any means wish you "shut up" because you have views different from
mine, or despise your position in law enforcement. What I *do* think is that
perhaps you are preaching to the unconvertible by making your views known in
such a forthright manner here on Grex; it is a fact of life that, whilst Grex
and systems like it try to be "a meeting of people with nothing in common",
as i think someone else put it earlier, there will in any community be a core
of like-minded members. That doesn't mean you should shut up, it just means
that you might get less of a favourable hearing than you would in other, more
conservative fora. I believe it was George Washington who as President made
it known that he was opposed to "factions", but he had the fortune/misfortune
to live his life in what was then a very young country, which due to its
history was still in the process of defining itself, and whose people
presumably were more concerned with what they were *not* (i.e. British) as
with what they were. In such circumstances it is easier for a community to
pull together than it is for Americans (or indeed Brits) today. Case in point
- myself and my Irish friends *never* discuss politics, because
Hiberno-English history is *very* divisive. (And yes, they are true friends).
I don't believe however that Grex or its members are in any way trying to
censor your beliefs; and if i thought it wee doing this to anyone, i wouldn't
be so supportive (spiritually) of Grex as I am. I don't see anyone deleting
threads.
A last word on my "coming out", if i may.
I believe this has been misinterpreted. It wasn't an attempt to shove anything
down anyone's face, but I am saddened that people feel that Grex has a
"party-line" culture. It was, therefore, an attempt to kickstart a process
of frankness - and it seems to have backfired.
I hope that we can agree (or agree to disagree) that people have a
*constitutional* right to express their (divergent) opinions, and behave in
amanner of their choosing *insofar as it does not injure other people*. I
think sometimes people just find it hard to judge where the line between one
and the other is, and that most of the fighting is on these fringes. It
saddens me.
Finally, i hope we can put this thread to rest - soon!
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edina
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response 127 of 150:
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Jul 29 14:40 UTC 2003 |
Re 111. But there is a show called "Black Men Teaching White Men how to Play
Basketball". It's just marketed as "The NBA".
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twenex
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response 128 of 150:
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Jul 29 15:43 UTC 2003 |
Re #127 - yes, but it *isn't* marketed as "Black Men Teaching White Men How
to Play Basketball". which i believe was the point alluded to
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slynne
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response 129 of 150:
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Jul 29 15:56 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, if you had a show called "Designer's eye for the hopeless guy",
it would be quite a different show. this would be true *especially* if
a person's sexuality werent an issue to be either the designer or
the "hopeless guy"
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twenex
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response 130 of 150:
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Jul 29 17:00 UTC 2003 |
Is there a show showing Asians showing White guys how to get to get good
grades? what is it marketed as? I presume you mean Japanese or Chinese, or
Indians; In Thailand kids get good grades by getting their parents to come
thru exam room windows with the answers (no, I'm not joking; it happened).
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rcurl
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response 131 of 150:
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Jul 29 17:13 UTC 2003 |
That show is called "school".
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cross
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response 132 of 150:
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Jul 29 18:41 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 133 of 150:
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Jul 29 19:53 UTC 2003 |
So Don't Do That Then! ;-)
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cross
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response 134 of 150:
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Jul 29 22:20 UTC 2003 |
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jaklumen
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response 135 of 150:
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Jul 30 05:13 UTC 2003 |
resp:119 The media tends to soar down to the lowest common denominator
for advertising and such. That's also why I tend to laugh when people
gripe about pop music. (There's always been this kind of drivel
around.)
I still believe we live in a sexually obsessed but very touch-deprived
society. The fact that a school suspends a first grader for kissing a
girl is pretty ludicrous, and teachers aren't really allowed to hug
their students anymore for fear of sexual harassment charges. I think
that's rough going for elementary and early childhood educators,
because I think young children need tactile response.
Things have changed-- it's true. The adult film industry is much more
mainstream than it was in the past; insiders say they don't cater to a
trenchcoat customer anymore. It's much more widely available and some
sources (PBS Frontline was one) suggested the Clinton adminstration
may have loosened things up in that regard (I forget what the politics
was called involving it). Playboy isn't scandalous anymore.
resp:132 Where... i.e. which West and East side?
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cross
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response 136 of 150:
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Jul 30 13:50 UTC 2003 |
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keesan
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response 137 of 150:
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Jul 30 17:13 UTC 2003 |
Jim taught daycare for a while and he hugged all the kids. Nobody filed
charges against him. The kids liked being hugged by a man.
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mynxcat
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response 138 of 150:
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Jul 30 17:20 UTC 2003 |
Most teachers wouldn't hug these days for fear of charges being filed.
Jim didn't get slapped with a charge, but it could have happened.
(Sometimes it doesn't matter if the kids like it or not, it's what the
parents perceived that is the determining factor)
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jaklumen
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response 139 of 150:
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Jul 31 03:24 UTC 2003 |
Oh shit yes. They discuss this in the Schools of Education for a
reason.
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gull
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response 140 of 150:
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Aug 12 21:27 UTC 2003 |
Re #70: "If God exists, he has stated that such behavior is immoral and
wrong."
You mean, "if my particular God exists, and I'm interpreting his
writings correctly, such behavior is immoral and wrong."
I also think it's pretty circular to fault homosexuals for not having
stable relationships when society denies them the tools to recognize and
reinforce those relationships.
Re #119: It amazes me that you seem to somehow blame homosexuals for
everything sexually explicit in the world. Do you really think that
only lesbians buy those "Girls Gone Wild" tapes that are advertised
incessantly on TV? ;>
Re #123: Actually there are lots of legal benefits you can't get except
through marriage. If you don't believe me, try to get your employer's
health insurance to cover someone you're not married to. Also, getting
the legal benefits of marriage involves a lot of effort and lawyer time
for homosexuals, while heterosexuals don't have to go through the hassle.
Re #138: No kidding. And it's not just teachers. Given all the
high-profile cases there have been I'd never open a day care center in
today's world; it seems to almost guarantee a sexual abuse lawsuit. And
once you're accused of that, your reputation is ruined. It doesn't
matter if you're found not guilty or not.
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jaklumen
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response 141 of 150:
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Aug 12 22:54 UTC 2003 |
1-2). Once again, all sides never really come out. We have one side
saying, "They are sinners and will rot in hell for what they do," and
the other saying, "It's natural, and they are wrongly oppressed."
Nothing in between.
'recognize and reinforce'... hmmm, somehow, in my experience, and in
those many others that I have talked to, it hasn't been about love,
it's been about deep, sometimes unconscious emotional traumas that
never get satisfied by a 'relationship.' Of course others' mileage
may vary. Of course, we have to have steel balls sometimes, because
we get so much grief from the one side who still regards us as sinners
(especially when we stumble on the way) and the community that
apparently regards us as traitors.
3) is a rather poor example because if I remember right, women don't
go ga-ga that way when they happen to be lesbian. They are a much
more emotional sort from what I remember and porno usually isn't the
schtick. In general, the example doesn't hold because women in
general just aren't super big on pornography. Now men's gay
counterparts... well, I seem to remember most enjoying gay porn to a
degree. Maybe you could find a difference there.
4) last time I checked, many day care providers were considered early
childhood educators-- but I could be wrong. Some preschools are
considered day care centers as well. Maybe it's just an overlap, but
I was making that implication.
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gull
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response 142 of 150:
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Sep 3 00:44 UTC 2003 |
Recently, with the push for civil unions and gay marriage, many people
have called for us to remain true to the Biblical definition of
marriage. Here's what remaining strictly true to that definition would
mean:
1 Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one
man and one or more women.(1) Marriage shall not impede a man's right to
take concubines in addition to his wife or wives.(2)
2 A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin.
If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed.(3) Marriage of a
believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden.(4)
3 Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the
constitution of any State, nor state or federal law, shall be construed
to permit divorce.(5)
4 If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry
the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately
does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be
otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law.(6)
1: Gen. 29, 17 - 28; II Sam. 3, 2 - 5.
2: II Sam. 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21
3: Deut. 22, 13 - 21
4: Gen 24:3; Num 25 1 - 9; Ezra 9:12; Neh. 10:30
5: Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9
6: Gen. 38 6 - 10; Deut 25 5 - 10
(Source:
http://nuisance.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_nuisance_archive.html#1061273031022
29366
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cross
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response 143 of 150:
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Sep 3 04:34 UTC 2003 |
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bru
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response 144 of 150:
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Sep 3 12:27 UTC 2003 |
That is your opinion, I do not know anyone anywhere who promotes such a
belief.
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gull
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response 145 of 150:
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Sep 3 12:34 UTC 2003 |
That's kind of the point.
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bru
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response 146 of 150:
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Sep 3 21:51 UTC 2003 |
thtas what I mean. i could sit here and say married people have to have sex
withone foot on the floor for it to be a leagal weddig. That wouldn't make
it so.
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tod
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response 147 of 150:
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Sep 3 22:07 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 148 of 150:
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Sep 4 02:53 UTC 2003 |
The point, to spell it out for you, is that calls to remain true to the
"Biblical definition of marriage" are irrelevent; we've already gotten
away from that long, long ago. What people currently think of as the
"Biblical definition of marriage" is really just tradition, and
relatively recent tradition at that.
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rcurl
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response 149 of 150:
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Sep 4 05:25 UTC 2003 |
Of course, the point is, it is *some peoples'* tradition. That's fine.
But it is not *all peoples'* tradition - nor is it immutable.
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