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keesan
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response 121 of 157:
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Feb 7 18:38 UTC 2004 |
I wonder if jep would have gone back through old agoras hunting for such
items.
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cyklone
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response 122 of 157:
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Feb 7 19:23 UTC 2004 |
Well, as I said earlier in this discussion, all it would take would be one
post in agora or a conversation in party for someone to say "oh, btw, you
might want to check out item X. You might find it interesting." Certainly of
such an item had been in existence when jep began his one of us would have
mentioned it to him.
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jp2
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response 123 of 157:
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Feb 7 19:37 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 124 of 157:
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Feb 7 21:38 UTC 2004 |
Childish behaviour from children is of course to be expected.
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md
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response 125 of 157:
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Feb 7 22:55 UTC 2004 |
123: Not the same thing. Not even close. You're still a drama queen,
albeit small-time by mnet & grex standards.
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gull
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response 126 of 157:
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Feb 7 23:10 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:64, resp:71: Sure. And we could be like M-Net, where everyone
uses pseudos for fear of becoming personally involved, and discussion
consists mainly of exchanges of insults. If people can no longer feel
comfortable talking about their own lives here, that's what we'll be
left with. Shitdicks and half-assed parody.
Re resp:90: "I resent the fact that some people are apparently so
lacking in empathy that they can say "it's only pixels. it's only the
internet" when people do very clearly do find these pixels to be
communication and ways to reach out to other people."
I think it's an attitude born of hanging out places like M-net, where
there's a sense that everyone's just playing a shallow pseudo and no one
is revealing who they really are. You can beat up on them all you want
because they're not real people and don't feel pain.
Re resp:110: In other words, Valerie is no longer here, so we have to
punish jep in her place?
Re resp:120: I'd like you to explain why you feel free speech means
publishing your words forever. If a library recycles old copies of the
New York Times, are they therefore censoring everyone who wrote a letter
to the editor?
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cyklone
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response 127 of 157:
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Feb 7 23:46 UTC 2004 |
Where do you get that impression from #120? I've discussed the issue
before and never equated non-permanence with censorship. (Try quoting
those parts you are commenting on) I made a distinction between
non-permanence caused by accidents such as system failures v.
non-permanence caused by an intentional act in violation of express
policy, however. The latter case is censorship, the first is not. I'm
sorry you apparently did not note and/or understand that distinction.
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jp2
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response 128 of 157:
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Feb 8 00:33 UTC 2004 |
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md
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response 129 of 157:
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Feb 8 00:52 UTC 2004 |
There you go with the drama again. Nobody is afraid of anything going
on here, much less "the facts," much less "you all."
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jp2
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response 130 of 157:
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Feb 8 01:43 UTC 2004 |
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gelinas
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response 131 of 157:
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Feb 8 02:13 UTC 2004 |
Re 100, where remmers comments on those he is in agreement with: I'm in
disagreement, often violent disagreement, with those he listed. Nonetheless,
I've been convinced by jmsaul's argument.
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boltwitz
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response 132 of 157:
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Feb 8 02:17 UTC 2004 |
Violent disagreement to cover-up jep's violent crime.
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tod
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response 133 of 157:
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Feb 8 03:42 UTC 2004 |
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keesan
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response 134 of 157:
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Feb 8 04:12 UTC 2004 |
While we are at it, let's wipe all of m-net too.
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tod
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response 135 of 157:
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Feb 8 04:25 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 136 of 157:
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Feb 8 04:29 UTC 2004 |
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boltwitz
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response 137 of 157:
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Feb 8 04:32 UTC 2004 |
Is naftee using keesan's cancer to harass her>? That really is fucked up.
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naftee
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response 138 of 157:
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Feb 8 04:41 UTC 2004 |
What's fucked up is that she revealed that her inner emotions are destroying
her!
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albaugh
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response 139 of 157:
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Feb 8 05:05 UTC 2004 |
We're within minutes of the polls being closed on the great item killing caper
of 2004 - yea! :-) I don't want any apologies from valerie or jep - I
understand why they wanted what was done. I *would* like some HONESTY from
them, though: Just set aside any & all justifications for what was done,
and admit that for their own reasons they carried out a unilateral act on grex
that caused all this contention, and on a widespread basis.
Sorry aruba - I repect everything you have done for grex and won't denegrate
it - but there is no "we" here - there is only empowered baff working largely
without restrictions and almost always in a reasonable fashion - almost.
The items being restored or not will have no effect on that state of affairs,
for better or worse.
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janc
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response 140 of 157:
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Feb 8 15:43 UTC 2004 |
Polls are closed. A few corrections.
Valerie did not admit that she knowing did wrong when she deleted
John's items. When she deleted her own, she thought some people would
be dissappointed to see them go, but never expected there to be any
serious outcry. She thought it was obviously within her rights and
expected others to think so too. By the time Valerie deleted John's
item she had found out that many people did seriously object and that
most perceived it to be in violation of a rule she hadn't heard of.
But she did it anyway because she believed (and still believes) that it
was right. She left staff not out of contrition or shame, but because
it was obvious that her values were no longer in sync with Grex's.
It is also not true that nobody fears the outcome of this vote. I know
two who fear it on a rather personal basis, and several who fear it on
a less personal basis. Restoration might have a chilling effect on a
few people, and I can think of at least one person who might be tempted
to stop posting on Grex in protest if they are not restored. This is
not an easy issue.
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boltwitz
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response 141 of 157:
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Feb 8 15:44 UTC 2004 |
Sissies.
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naftee
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response 142 of 157:
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Feb 8 16:34 UTC 2004 |
Jerkfaces.
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jp2
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response 143 of 157:
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Feb 8 17:00 UTC 2004 |
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styles
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response 144 of 157:
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Feb 8 23:29 UTC 2004 |
Can't execute "cat > /tmp/tr"!
Nasty return from editor: 127
Ok to enter this response? n
Response aborted! Returning to current item.
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boltwitz
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response 145 of 157:
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Feb 8 23:41 UTC 2004 |
Jerk.
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