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jep
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response 12 of 162:
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Jun 27 14:26 UTC 2003 |
There's an article on today's USA Today on-line about some file-sharing
companies vowing to protect the privacy of their users. The article
indicates that most other file sharing companies will be doing this as
well.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2003-06-26-swap_x.htm
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jaklumen
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response 13 of 162:
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Jun 27 22:06 UTC 2003 |
resp:9 The other thing I used to do was buy used music. Sadly, deja
vu discs and tapes at the Parkway in Richland, WA closed shop sometime
ago, when, I have no idea. Their prices and quality was really nice--
the local Hastings chain, by comparison, had worse prices and the CDs
were usually in worse shape. So I don't feel like I have any real
alternative right now.
resp:10 Have you not checked out Rhapsody, by Real Networks? I know
not everyone is thrilled with the RealOne player, but I believe this
is the PC competition right now, and I think the songs are slightly
cheaper (79 cents).
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pvn
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response 14 of 162:
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Jun 28 06:28 UTC 2003 |
One of the interesting tactics on the part of the RIAA et al is to lobby
municipalities to require "used record stores" to obtain a license and
adhere to the same strict standards as pawn shops. This has not been
reported by any media outlet as far as I can tell. Not only do you have
to pay full knuckle for a bunch of crap to get one good cut, but you
can't even re-sell the crap compilation when you are done.
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krj
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response 15 of 162:
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Jun 28 06:30 UTC 2003 |
The Washington Post ran an overview piece on the race by the authorized
download services to tap into the user base of the unauthorized file
sharing systems.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29635-2003Jun25.html
There's one quote I wanted to mention: following a discussion of the
tremendous wealth and breadth of music available on the unauthorized
services, we read this:
> RealNetworks Chief Strategy Officer Richard Wolpert questioned the
> need to have millions of available songs, saying "80 to 90 percent
> of the songs people download [on free services] are the same couple
> hundred songs."
> If pay services can provide most of the songs people are looking for,
> and do it in a safe, user-friendly environment, typical consumers will
> use them, he added.
Who cares about all the music below the Top 100? Those people don't count,
in the corporate view of the future.
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senna
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response 16 of 162:
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Jun 28 07:18 UTC 2003 |
It won't work. People want to know they have the other songs available, even
if they don't use many of them.
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pvn
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response 17 of 162:
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Jun 28 08:43 UTC 2003 |
Huh?
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remmers
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response 18 of 162:
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Jun 29 14:15 UTC 2003 |
#16 seemed clear to me.
Wolpert's statement strikes me as idiotic from an economic point of
view, given the low cost of disk storage.
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polygon
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response 19 of 162:
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Jun 30 15:55 UTC 2003 |
Re 16-17 (speaking as the parent of a 4-year-old): Just like it's nice to
have 64 crayons in the box, even though you may never have a need for
burnt sienna or raw umber.
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gull
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response 20 of 162:
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Jun 30 19:45 UTC 2003 |
Re #18: It's not the disk storage, it's negotiating the rights to
distribute all those songs. The record labels are, I understand, still
pretty reluctant to really open up their catalogs.
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mcnally
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response 21 of 162:
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Jun 30 23:00 UTC 2003 |
That doesn't make much sense to me as an explanation for the behavior
being discussed. Why would they be willing to open up the part of their
catalog that accounts for 95% of the sales but reluctant to offer the rest?
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mdw
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response 22 of 162:
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Jun 30 23:42 UTC 2003 |
Ask Disney.
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pvn
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response 23 of 162:
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Jul 1 05:23 UTC 2003 |
This whole thing is actually an exercise on the part of the recording
industry to direct attention elsewhere from the fundamental problem.
They are producing crap and they are producing it on media that for all
intents and purposes doesn't wear out. And they are doing so in a
corporate environment burdened by huge debt generated from the focus on
revenue based compensation of management due to laws passed under the
clinton administration (you knew I couldn't pass that one up even though
it is a fact). Instead of being compensated by returning profits to
stockholders in the form of dividends corporate management came to be
compensated by increases in revenue generating increased value of stock.
Thus the flurry of mergers and acquisitions and thus the incentive to
'turnaround' transactions which did absolutely nothing to profit -
indeed in a small way did damage - but generated nice revenue numbers.
So you have a general problem in the general case that is applied to the
recording industry where a general downturn in sales - you have less
young people to begin with who are the one's buying the hot new acts.
Plus you have a product that is generally eternal - once the babyboomers
bought all their tunes on CD they generally stopped buying huge amounts
of tunes.
The Internet magnified a problem that had always been there, those too
cheap to buy the original product prefering instead to 'tape' the tunes
-accept a 2nd or X-generation product that unfortunately in this case
were generally as good as the 1st generation product. It is easy and it
produces good results. The now dept burdened recording industry looks
for a convenient excuse for piss poor financials and settles on a
convenient and visible target - the Internet file swappers - as a reason
why they are moribund. Sure the Internet makes it easy to swap music.
The problem with the RIAA et al's case is that there is absolutely no
proof that they suffer any major damage as a result. I personally would
suggest that the practice of sharing music has been common among that
market segment as long as there has been an ability to easily record
replays of the media. It used to be record to tape, now it is CD to CD.
The difference is only in the quality not the activity. Again, the
Internet makes it easier to do many things on a larger scale - among
them distribute files that happen to be music. I would suggest however
in this particular case that were the RIAA et al able to completely shut
down the Internet file sharing and develop foolproof and working copy
protection they would see little or no increase in revenue or profit as
those modern versions of those 'tapers' would simply revert to exactly
that level of technology - thier TARGETS weren't their market in the
first place. There already is a huge market for movies even on quality
packaged DVD that are clearly somebody in a movie theater with a
camcorder. There would simply be a huge market for those that would be
satisfied with CDs of music duped from copy proof media played in a
studio and re-recorded digitally -heck, while driving you probably
couldn't even tell the difference between an original and such.
It is only marginally less convenient to dupe music CDs borrowed from
the local library than downloaded off the Internet. What are they going
to do next, go after libraries?
And its not like the actual artists see a wif of a hint of any change in
their revenue stream regardless and if they are clever they should adopt
the open source model in their own version - a buck from many people
that like what you are doing and want to support you so you can continue
to do good stuff may be more than what the artist might get a small
fraction of in the old model of the business.
Personally, I don't do the download bootleg music thing, but I sure
think that an industry that doesn't adapt to the current realities of
the situation is doomed to go the way of the quill pen - which you can
still buy to this day but there ain't a whole lot of money or market
for.
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polygon
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response 24 of 162:
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Jul 1 05:42 UTC 2003 |
Re 23. Generally agreed. (Sometimes Nasby and I do see things from the
same point of view.)
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gull
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response 25 of 162:
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Jul 1 13:32 UTC 2003 |
I think partly, too, they got hooked on the big spike in revenue that
happened when people switched from CD to LP and bought new copies of all
the music they already owned. Now that's gone, and in spite of casting
about a bit they haven't found a format that will let them do that again.
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gull
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response 26 of 162:
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Jul 1 13:32 UTC 2003 |
Err, I meant switched from LP to CD up there, of course.
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flem
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response 27 of 162:
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Jul 1 14:35 UTC 2003 |
No evidence that RIAA is damaged by file swappers? What do you mean? They
commissioned studies themselves proving huge damages!
</sarcasm>
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jazz
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response 28 of 162:
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Jul 1 14:43 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, their record sales should've skyrocketed, despite declining
quality.
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mcnally
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response 29 of 162:
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Jul 6 01:20 UTC 2003 |
I don't know whether they archive their programs for any length of time,
but on July 4th the Minnesota Public Radio program "Marketplace", which
is syndicated on many public stations, had a quite good piece about
several musicians who have successfully opted out of the major-label
system. As I recall it was at the end of the program. Also, they
mentioned that their web site would have additional links to the
musicians interviewed and their music.
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coolnet
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response 30 of 162:
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Jul 8 21:36 UTC 2003 |
what IS the best and secure P2P program.
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gull
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response 31 of 162:
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Jul 9 14:02 UTC 2003 |
I don't know which is the most secure. I've been using WinMX, which at
least doesn't come with any spyware.
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krj
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response 32 of 162:
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Jul 9 18:36 UTC 2003 |
There's much discussion of how one would run a "private" or "anonymous"
P2P program in the wake of the RIAA's threats to start handing out
lawsuits next month. Blubster issued a press release, and so on,
forgive me for not having any links handy. From my reading of the
P2P news pages, it seems that most systems are focusing on eliminating
the ability to gather a list of all files being offered at a
particular IP address.
This was originally a feature of Napster, IIRC; the idea was that
if you discovered that user Jane Doe at a certain address offered a
Metallica song file you liked, you might be interested in seeing
what else Jane Doe liked.
However, this feature also allows the RIAA and others to look for
who is offering the biggest file collections online, and so now
it's being removed.
I don't see how complete P2P anonymity is possible, outside of a
system like Ian Clarke's "Freenet." Even there, one can probably
determine the IP address serving up a particular piece of a file.
But removing the ability to search for large collections online
makes the RIAA's lawsuit plans much more of a crapshoot, in public
relations terms.
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krj
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response 33 of 162:
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Jul 9 18:45 UTC 2003 |
Ah, and here's today's article on this very subject, from Cnet
and Declan McCullagh:
"P2P's Little Secret"
http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-1023735.html?tag=cd_mh
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krj
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response 34 of 162:
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Jul 14 17:18 UTC 2003 |
From today's New York Times:
"Harry Potter and the Internet Pirates"
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/14/technology/14BOOK.html
The most recent Harry Potter book is being put online by fans.
As the book is not originally available in digital form, those
posting it to the net are scanning it (tedious) or participating
in group typing projects (even more tedious).
Non-english-speakers who are too impatient to wait for authorized
translations are getting their own versions in their home languages
prepared and posted to the Internet.
The NYT article does not attempt to explore the motivations behind
this gift economy, but it is one of the better explorations of the
concept I've seen.
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janc
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response 35 of 162:
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Jul 15 00:39 UTC 2003 |
If I borrow a copy of the book from my next door neighbor, would that be a
crime too? So many of the things have been printed, that I suspect that
anyone who wants to read it could pretty easily borrow it someplace. Where
is the line?
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slynne
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response 36 of 162:
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Jul 15 16:17 UTC 2003 |
I have a feeling that if publishers thought they could prevent the
borrowing of books (or the resale of books), they would certainly try
to do that.
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