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mynxcat
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response 12 of 39:
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Dec 5 11:56 UTC 2003 |
Eric - just when I blast out against you, you go and redeem yourself ;)
The MOTD approach - I know people get annoyed by it. But I would like
to argue as to its effectiveness. The grexergallery has seen the most
new picture uploads for the time the message was on the motd. So there
are people who do read it, even if it does annoy them. I think this
route is worth discussing.
As for your idea about sending email to random users - I was thinknig
along the same lines last night. However, I do want to see this go out
to members also - especially those that are not members on a regular
basis. Don't want them to think that now that we have their money , we
don't care :)
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gull
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response 13 of 39:
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Dec 5 14:04 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:10: My annoyance with long MOTDs is that I start to miss new
stuff buried in the pile of old messages. My solution was to create a
.hushlogin file in my home directory to suppress the automatic MOTD
display, then add this to my .profile, so I only see the new stuff:
# Show differences in motd, instead of whole thing.
motd >.newmotd
diff .oldmotd .newmotd | grep '>'
cp .newmotd .oldmotd
Obviously if you do this, you should either 'touch .oldmotd' before the
first time it's run, or expect an error message. .hushlogin also
suppresses the new mail message on login, but I run 'frm' in my .profile
anyway.
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jp2
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response 14 of 39:
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Dec 5 14:09 UTC 2003 |
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aruba
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response 15 of 39:
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Dec 5 15:12 UTC 2003 |
Re #10: The problem with doing a survey through bbs is that most users never
see the bbs. So in order to get a reasonable sample you'd have to contact
people some other way.
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jp2
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response 16 of 39:
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Dec 5 15:38 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 17 of 39:
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Dec 5 15:49 UTC 2003 |
While we're on this discussion, I've heard two different reasons for
finding Jamie's approach to the survey offensive
1. The more important one - It provided too great a load on the system
which rendered it unuseable. I understand this, and I think we can
overcome this issue by sending out the survey in a controlled manner,
maybe 10 a day, or less, or more, depending on system capacity
2. And a subtle indication was provided for the following - Sending a
user a survey is as good as spamming the user. I personally disagree,
especially since this survey has to do with the system, and is related
to making the system better. If Jamie's data is to be believed, his
email was received well, and in some cases appreciated, and welcomed.
I think this is something worth discussing further before we abandon
the approach.
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gull
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response 18 of 39:
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Dec 5 17:01 UTC 2003 |
I don't know. At very least you should provide some kind of opt-out
feature for people who don't want to receive surveys in the future.
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mynxcat
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response 19 of 39:
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Dec 5 17:46 UTC 2003 |
I agree with that.
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aruba
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response 20 of 39:
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Dec 5 18:07 UTC 2003 |
Re #16: Yes, like via email. I think that's probably the best way. But we
should work out the details here ahead of time, and get the staff onboard
with the project, before doing anything.
I'm no expert, but I know that some surveys turn out to be useful and some
don't. So I think we should give some thought to what questions to ask, and
what reports we'll run on the data when we get them back.
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jp2
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response 21 of 39:
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Dec 5 18:57 UTC 2003 |
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willcome
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response 22 of 39:
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Dec 5 19:29 UTC 2003 |
No-one responds to spam, jp2. That way they'll KNOW the e-mail address's
active.
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mynxcat
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response 23 of 39:
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Dec 5 19:35 UTC 2003 |
And I was getting to what Jamie says. The email that the users get
should be as personal as possible. I think the initial contact with
the user would be a carefully worded email explaining the reason
behind the survey, telling them that we value their presence, and
asking if they'd be interested in a survey to help the system. Unless
they're really busy, I think we'll get favorable responses. (It may
also help if we explain our mission and ask them if they think that we
are following the right path to fulfill that mission. Of course this
might be more complex than it sounds, being that defining a mission,
and then reaching a consensus on what the mission really means could
lead to months of discussion)
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gull
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response 24 of 39:
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Dec 5 20:12 UTC 2003 |
There are two issues here, and they demand different approaches.
For an introduction to Grex and its services, a message delivered when
the mailbox is created is great.
If the goal is to collect data with a survey, however, I think the
answers we get would actually be more useful if we *didn't* deliver the
message right away, but rather waited a few weeks. Someone who has just
connected for the first time won't have had time to form any opinions.
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mynxcat
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response 25 of 39:
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Dec 5 20:22 UTC 2003 |
Oh, these were two entirely different emails we were talking about.
Sorry if that wasn't made clear.
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tod
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response 26 of 39:
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Dec 6 01:26 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 27 of 39:
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Dec 6 03:14 UTC 2003 |
Nice, tod. But we weren't conducting a survey :) Just throwing around ideas
on what a servey would contain
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aruba
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response 28 of 39:
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Dec 6 05:26 UTC 2003 |
Right - feel free to critique the questions and add new ones.
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jlamb
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response 29 of 39:
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Dec 11 22:59 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 30 of 39:
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Dec 12 15:08 UTC 2003 |
In fact I bet that would be an (almost) trivial modification of the
"vote" program...
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bhelliom
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response 31 of 39:
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Dec 16 18:54 UTC 2003 |
You could always put a copy of the survey via the web interface, for
people who don't actually mind filling out in that manner.
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scg
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response 32 of 39:
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Dec 25 06:22 UTC 2003 |
As a formerly local very active Grexer, and then a non-local less active
Grexer, I think I'll disagree about offline stuff being unimportant, and the
community being online.
I think there were three things I used to get out of Grex. The technology
was neat, the discussions were neat, and a significant part of my off-Grex
social life was arranged through Grex. I suppose I could think of it as
having been my social club, or something of the sort. As a non-local Grexer
with several more years of experience, the technology no longer seems all that
interesting, I've seen all the discussions before, and there aren't many local
Grexers to interact with without getting on a plane. There's no way Grex is
going to be the significant force in my life that it once was, so I just pop
in to see what's going on with old friends.
This is fine with me -- I moved on because I wanted to and am having fun in
new and interesting ways -- but I think anybody not from Ann Arbor who wants
to get out of Grex what I used to is going to be disappointed.
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styles
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response 33 of 39:
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Mar 5 03:51 UTC 2004 |
oh come the fuck on and stop scribbling shit.
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salad
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response 34 of 39:
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Mar 5 22:20 UTC 2004 |
Yeps, come and come and come until you can't come no more.
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soup
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response 35 of 39:
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Mar 29 02:00 UTC 2004 |
seps
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styles
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response 36 of 39:
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Mar 30 05:29 UTC 2004 |
i give up.
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