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Grex > Coop11 > #198: Limit the number of brandnew posts per user per 24hrs in Agora? | |
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swa
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response 12 of 157:
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Sep 6 05:45 UTC 2000 |
Admittedly, I've caught only glimpses of this summer's agora mess. Agora
in its *normal* state overwhelms me, so I've been hitting it only on
occasion. That said, I think this is a bad idea, simply because placing
such restrictions seems to interfere with the free speech aspect of Grex's
mission. I *do* think that what I saw of this phenomenon was extremely
annoying, but I think barring people from being annoying isn't necessarily
the best solution. (Besides which, those determined to be annoying will
simply find another way to do so...)
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remmers
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response 13 of 157:
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Sep 6 10:57 UTC 2000 |
(exactly so.)
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mary
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response 14 of 157:
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Sep 6 12:01 UTC 2000 |
Between forget and the twit filter users are given control
over what they have to read for the most part. I see no
reason to go the extra step and control what others post.
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raven
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response 15 of 157:
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Sep 6 20:33 UTC 2000 |
Agrees with responses 11 through 14.
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spooked
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response 16 of 157:
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Sep 7 03:01 UTC 2000 |
Yeah, but the point Richard was making was that this kind of immature,
outlandish behaviour dis-attracts new users from the conferences. New
users do not know about twit filters and other advanced features. Maybe
we need better documentation.
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krj
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response 17 of 157:
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Sep 7 03:54 UTC 2000 |
Where's the twit filter documentation?
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richard
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response 18 of 157:
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Sep 7 04:53 UTC 2000 |
spooked is exactly-- those of us who've been here will just use "forget" or
whatever, but new users wont know those commands, what they will see is some
conference with so many brandnew items that they will throw their hands up
in despair and leave. What has always made Agora better than mnet's general
is that the numbers of items have been manageable and it doesnt need to
be restarted every month. I am convinced that confs like summer agora that
get out of control causes grex to lose users. And since any user can
use an alternate login to enter items, restricting any one ID to two new
brandnew items per day isnt a restriction of speech at all. The point is
to simply discourage all the mass postings.
I cant believe that grex staff's approach would be so liberterian that it
would decline any attempt at all to protect its own confs. Why should one
user be so easily able to take over a conf, or two users.
I am also of the belief that mnet went downhill back when this sort of
postings-mania became rampant on general. With its main conf being one that
is filled with useless posts, fewer users read the conf and the place lost
its sense of community. That will happen to grex? So why let it-- even
if this doesnt do any good in the long run, its worth a try. It doesnt
restrict freedom of speech, and it *would* discourage twittish behaviour
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gelinas
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response 19 of 157:
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Sep 7 04:58 UTC 2000 |
No, it wouldn't. In fact, it would *encourage* it, because an outsider would
see a whole bunch of people doing the same thing, instead of only one. "If
all of those people are doing it, it MUST be the thing to do."
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richard
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response 20 of 157:
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Sep 7 06:08 UTC 2000 |
yes it would, becuase willard only posts so many items becuase he can see
his name, willard, so many times. if he has to use twenty different logins
to post his fifty items a day, then he wont do it, it would be too onorous.
it would be too much work. Therefore restricting the number of posts any
one ID, not any one user, can post, would be an effective deterrent.
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carson
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response 21 of 157:
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Sep 7 06:57 UTC 2000 |
(richard underestimates willard.) :^)
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jared
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response 22 of 157:
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Sep 7 13:26 UTC 2000 |
I am concerned about the number of items in agora this season.. it
has caused me to not read it. I'm only hoping that with m-net back
around that the various twits will not continue to plague agora with
their items. I'm not sure how the item mess has been
since then, but it seems like a lot still.. Sounds like it's
time to vote the user off the system if it's one person..
(No, i didn't watch a single episode of survivor either).
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aruba
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response 23 of 157:
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Sep 7 13:48 UTC 2000 |
I agree with richard that a wrecked agora is the road to the loss of
community for Grex. I don't know if this idea will work, though, even if we
could implement it. I don't like talking about restrictions on posting, but
I think the time has come to talk about it.
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willard
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response 24 of 157:
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Sep 7 14:17 UTC 2000 |
I'm flattered. *blush*
But I still don't see how I've done anything wrong. Could someone
please direct me to the Agora "FAQ" or "Conference Participation
Guidelines"? I must've missed them. My sincerest apologies.
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willard
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response 25 of 157:
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Sep 7 14:19 UTC 2000 |
(By the way, less than 30% of the items in Agora are mine. I think
you people just need thicker skin.)
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scott
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response 26 of 157:
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Sep 7 14:43 UTC 2000 |
Presumably, most people are bright enough to figure out the community rules
on their own. If willard is as smart as he claims to be, then he's just
deliberatly going against the community style either to get more attention
or else just to annoy others.
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willard
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response 27 of 157:
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Sep 7 15:01 UTC 2000 |
Or maybe I'm just bored. What better reason to log onto Grex?
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scott
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response 28 of 157:
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Sep 7 15:38 UTC 2000 |
Good point. Maybe we should see if your boss can find more work for you to
do.
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aruba
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response 29 of 157:
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Sep 7 15:48 UTC 2000 |
I log into Grex because I'm interested in being part of a community.
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willard
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response 30 of 157:
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Sep 7 16:09 UTC 2000 |
I'm actually idle most of the time I'm on Grex during the afternoon.
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eeyore
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response 31 of 157:
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Sep 7 18:02 UTC 2000 |
Out of curiosity, do you like everybody in your community? I know that in
my apartment complex there is at least a few people who play the radio tooo
loud, at midnight, and the guy with the clunker that beeps his horn all the
time in front of the building. They may irritate me, but I'm not yelling at
the apartment complex because I don't like it. I realize that they live here
too, and that, you know, I'm sorta used to it now.
I cannot believe that the idea of limiting posts is actually coming up. I'm
truely apalled, because that really goes against everything Grex has stood
for. We are considered an open community, here for everybody's enjoyment.
Different people have different enjoyments. Okay, so maybe Willard's is to
put in a bunch of different posts, possibly designed to irritate some people.
Do I like it? Nope. But this is his community too. I'll be the first to
admit that my fingers type "forget" the moment I see his name (and a few
others) come up at the top of a header. But that doesn't mean that I (or
anybody else) has the right to limit postings, just to discourage him and a
few others.
Or is this "community" only supposed to be made up of the people you approve
of? If so, I want out.
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krj
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response 32 of 157:
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Sep 7 18:21 UTC 2000 |
How about the people in eeyore's apartment complex who pee in the
swimming pool, and people who hit other people?
How about the people from the next apartment complex over who organize
vandalism parties with the declared intent of trashing your apartment complex?
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eeyore
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response 33 of 157:
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Sep 7 18:58 UTC 2000 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has endangerd anybody. And I don't think
that at this point I would think of these people as somebody fromt he next
complex over. They live here now. Mabe have double residence, but so what?
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jared
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response 34 of 157:
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Sep 7 19:20 UTC 2000 |
you are correct, nobody has been endangered.
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richard
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response 35 of 157:
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Sep 7 19:41 UTC 2000 |
ah but if those neighbors are so disruly and disrespectful that it
causes other people to move out, the landlords are within their rights to
discuss ways to prevent or discourage the questionable behaviour.
Again I was only suggesting this for Agora, not for any other
conference. It is extremely important that Agora be readable,
because those who dont read agora wont know what grex is all about and
wont likely choose to remain part of it for very long.
many of the mass postings in agora were done with the forethought to
ruin the conf-- the people posting there were mnet regulars who were
hanging out there while mnet was down. There are people on mnet who
flat dont like grex, and see hurting grex to be in mnet's best interest.
Their attitude is "screw agora and screw everyone who reads it"
We know how easily conferences can be ruined, it is in grex's vested
interest to see that agora is protected.
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mary
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response 36 of 157:
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Sep 7 20:01 UTC 2000 |
I'm with eeyore here, 100%. I find the whining about willard far,
far worse than the vacuous and forgetable items willard is entering.
If I were a newuser I'd feel the same way.
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