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Grex > Coop > #267: Feb 2010 Board Meeting Minutes | |
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kentn
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response 12 of 66:
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Feb 12 13:16 UTC 2010 |
That doesn't sound like all that bad an idea, actually.
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jgelinas
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response 13 of 66:
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Feb 13 18:34 UTC 2010 |
The board approved root access for both tsty and remmers. When either
will get that access is, I guess, up to the staff.
Most of the stuff is done by sudo now, I think. Note that sudo just
makes more passwords lucrative targets.
There is still some disagreement on broadcasting the board meetings.
Thus the limits on recording and disseminating the recordings. We are
probably going to have to take membership-level action to get it
'right.'
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cross
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response 14 of 66:
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Feb 13 22:15 UTC 2010 |
resp:13 Sudo does *not* "just make(s) more passwords lucrative
targets." Sudo is a very, very useful tool and is the preferred
mechanism for doing things as the superuser these days.
I have given root access to both Remmers and TS via adding them to
the 'wheel' group. Both should use sudo to access things as root.
I don't even know what the root password is, but it would probably
be a good idea if someone changed it to something that they know,
write it down, and store it somewhere securely.
I should state publicly that I have serious objections to adding
remmers to staff. When I lobbied to get re-added to staff some
years ago, remmers objected strongly. When I got re-added to staff
and elected to the board, remmers resigned from both.
I find that timeline suspicious and have found him difficult to
work with. He created what I felt to be a very divisive forum to
discuss Grex being down during the recent outage, which fragmented
the discussion, *despite* being asked not to do so, by me, as a
baord and staff member. In the past, he was not responsive to
email; I recall asking him multiple times to create me an account
on the machine that housed Grex's CVS server and he did not respond
until after I'd resigned from staff. I feel like John is the type
of guy who likes to "take control." I feel like he doesn't work
particularly well with others, and I'm concerned about him having
root access.
A lot of John's technical ideas are not well thought out and tend
to rely on things he's heard, rather than things that he's done.
He lobbied strongly to put in a complicated content-management
system on Grex, without having even used it. I find that problematic,
and I'm worried that, with root access, John will do things that
are not easily supportable by the rest of us. Similarly with his
ideas about virtualization.
I see his no-staff-stamp addition to staff as something of a coup
by the Grex old-guard. I would have been happy to have him do
webmaster things, but full-on root access is an entirely other
matter.
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veek
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response 15 of 66:
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Feb 14 02:02 UTC 2010 |
you'd suppose Grex was an attractive female with all this plotting
going on *grumble* anyway, umm..
1. Surprisingly, though I find the concept of old and new guards to be
weird (what is their to guard even?), I kind of agree that Cross is
right about Remmers appearing to be very sneaky <g> I have been
pondering his sneakiness, myself, the last few days, and making
speculative assumptions - mostly because, not sure if you remember
but.. like the time ppl were grumbling about staff and asking for
volunteers or some such thing, and I volunteered and then remmers
volunteered and well.. *sigh* and after that all was forgotten..
anyway, the impression I got was that he volunteered simply to squelch
me - I'm acutely aware that it's logically unsound but read on without
flaming me and thou shall see, what it's to bee, to be mee.. :p
2. If Remmers is being a sneaky ol' coot, that's okay - the matter is
irrelevant because.. at the end of the day, what counts is work done
for Grex by staff and that is a very measurable quantity!
So.. *miaow* wouldn't it make sense for the board to give emm a task
list, or Cross and Remmers to duke it out by doing stuff for us.. like
E-Mail (which we don't have) or My-SQL stuff etc etc..
Basically, the whole sneaky Remmers AND old-guard thing, becomes a non-
issue see.. if a guy is laboring on your behalf, why bother with the
color of the cat so long as it catches mice.
3. I mean, we should clearly demarcate tasks.. both are competent, both
know Unix, BOTH have CONTRIBUTED in the past.. give emm whole projects
and see who *does* what to determine the future. Would this work??
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veek
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response 16 of 66:
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Feb 14 02:51 UTC 2010 |
Re #15: mind you, I'm NOT saying Remmers IS sneaky and it's not my
intention to even hint or cast doubt on his reputation! I don't know
remmers at all! I've always found him polite and reasonably helpful.
What I am saying, is that: divining intent is a waste of time when you
can use work done as a measure of competence. Not work done 10 years
ago..
The reason I mentioned my own remmers thingy was because I meant to
illustrate how my perception of some random guy on the net could
influence my thought process. Not that Cross is mad or that Remmers is
innocent.. we have simply no way of knowing for sure what their motives
are.. so use measurable evidence.. in any case work gets done.
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veek
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response 17 of 66:
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Feb 14 03:31 UTC 2010 |
BTW, SRW got back :) all is well.. he's waiting for his Grex passwd to
be reset so he can make changes.
See now.. that's another case to point.. I was a bit worried about that
- thinking that he was being nasty and Oo! what a scum-bag! In fact, if
ye had asked me for my opinion on SRW just 10 secs ago, I'd have slayed
the man! In fact, and I hate to admit this, I was wondering if board
had done some nasty evVil thing by telling me one thing and had snuck
behind my back and told SRW to silently discard my request.. and I was
in the process of listing all my sins and pondering which particular
stunning discourse with Chad had been the last straw. Then the whole
remmers thing, for a moment I contemplated a remmers sneakily calling
SRW and telling him to you know.. put my request in the dustbin. *sigh*
It's all very embaressing and it's not meant to detract from what Cross
is saying (because Cross is a different person and probably does not
react the way I do).. my point is Resp 16: makes a lot of sense and
avoids this complicated debate. Remmers can suggest something and work
on his project - even if Cross thinks it's crap and Cross can do the
same. It doesn't have to be perfect, or the most beauteous, or the most
elegant piece of work (RT).. it's just a stupid shell with hardly any
users.. so we should be able to do what we want and have a lot of fun.
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veek
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response 18 of 66:
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Feb 14 03:33 UTC 2010 |
so long as Steve can reset the box<g>
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jgelinas
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response 19 of 66:
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Feb 14 16:20 UTC 2010 |
Since the matter of 'staff stamp' has been raised: The matter was
discussed in e-mail. No formal vote was taken, but the discussion made
clear that the majority of staff were in favour of adding tsty and
remmers. So the board acted.
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cross
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response 20 of 66:
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Feb 14 16:25 UTC 2010 |
a) If it's the discussion I'm thinking of, the stipulation was that both
be added without root access.
b) It seems that the majority also wanted tonster added.
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tsty
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response 21 of 66:
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Feb 18 04:28 UTC 2010 |
wel, i did wnat tonster added. and i will lobby for tonster in
the futre.
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cross
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response 22 of 66:
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Feb 18 05:52 UTC 2010 |
I did, too. Who wanted more in the way of an interview or whatever?
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tonster
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response 23 of 66:
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Feb 19 16:34 UTC 2010 |
I do find it rather odd that there's some question and need for an
interview, like I'm asking for a job and grex is some top secret weapon
or something. I've been around m-net and grex for 17 years, and I've
been a root/sysop for m-net for over 10. I'm not some new person no one
knows.
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nharmon
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response 24 of 66:
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Feb 19 18:39 UTC 2010 |
If you were an animal, what animal would you be?
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tod
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response 25 of 66:
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Feb 19 20:03 UTC 2010 |
"Why should we hire you?"
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nharmon
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response 26 of 66:
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Feb 19 20:16 UTC 2010 |
"Are you a people person?"
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tonster
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response 27 of 66:
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Feb 19 21:55 UTC 2010 |
Maybe I'm just asking for too high a salary, but damnit I'm worth every
penny.
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nharmon
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response 28 of 66:
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Feb 19 22:16 UTC 2010 |
Can I see your manager?
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slynne
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response 29 of 66:
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Feb 19 23:06 UTC 2010 |
Hahaha. That reminds me. How come we arent talking about LOST online
here any where?
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tonster
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response 30 of 66:
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Feb 19 23:32 UTC 2010 |
because I haven't started watching this season and you don't want to
ruin it for me!
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cross
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response 31 of 66:
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Feb 20 17:03 UTC 2010 |
I'm a bit disappointed in the boards previous decisions vis-a-vis
staff. It's the old-guard re-asserting themselves. Oh well.
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richard
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response 32 of 66:
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Feb 20 20:19 UTC 2010 |
re #14 in what way was Remmers' Posterus forum for Grex divisive? All
it did was provide a place to have an open discussion. Is Cross saying
he does not want an open discussion. Also Cross shouldn't be
lambasting Remmers 'bad ideas' since the ideas he's had, at least the
one to start validating new users, is killing Grex. Was any discussion
made at the board meeting about removing the validation patch from new
user?
I am concerned by Cross's statement that Remmers returning to staff is,
in his opinion, "something of a coup by the Grex old-guard." This
makes it seem like he sees a power struggle going on. What power
struggle? If Cross, or any of the other staff members, are seeing
themselves as in 'control' around here and worry about 'coups'
and 'losing control', that is not only paranoia but goes against grex's
very principles. I don't even know why Cross wants to continue on
staff this year since he is deployed overseas. Seems like it would
hardly be a priority and if he is staying on staff under such
circumstances, is it because he sees some power struggle and wants to
prevent the return of the 'old guard' here?
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cross
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response 33 of 66:
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Feb 20 23:27 UTC 2010 |
It was divisive, Richard, because most the traditional place for
such discussions has been M-Net. John created a forum that he
controlled, where the creation of new 'items' had to be done,
basically, by him. That's the antithesis of an open discussion,
Richard. It also fragmented the discussion. When that was pointed
out to John his response was, "Well, I think I'll leave things the
way they are." Not exactly in the spirit of working with others,
is it?
John's retained sole control of Grex resources before (like the CVS
server). And he's been asked several times to do things for Grex
in the last few years, but has always declined; why the change of
heart now?
But tell you what. Richard, why don't you just ask John what his
motivation is for joining staff?
And further, why does John get the green light when Tonster doesn't?
And as for user validation, well, how do YOU propose to counter
Chad and mickeyd crashing Grex all the time, Richard? And how is
it killing Grex? Perhaps you forgot when Grex was constantly down
because Chad and Mickey were crashing it all the time?
Tell you what Richard. If you value open discussion so much, why are
you so eager to put someone who has a history of closing things up in a
position to do it again?
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krj
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response 34 of 66:
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Feb 23 01:12 UTC 2010 |
M-net might be the traditional place for reporting on grex being
down. It is in no way the traditional place for discussing
"What should we do with Grex, in the vision thing?" because there
has been no other place. Dan, your inability to see that the
abusive outpouring from M-netters, and the refusal of substantial
portions of the Grex community to have anything to do with M-net,
are simply astonishing to me.
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cross
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response 35 of 66:
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Feb 23 01:51 UTC 2010 |
resp:34 So Ken, after complaining about not having access to validate new
users, have many have you validated? You throw a lot of stones, but live
in just as much of a glass house as anyone else.
I'm not opposed to a place that isn't M-Net, but I don't want it controlled
by a single person.
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krj
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response 36 of 66:
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Feb 23 02:16 UTC 2010 |
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