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tod
response 12 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:31 UTC 2006

Here's where I started swearing at my radio:

BUSH: To confront the great issues before us, we must act in a spirit of good
will and respect for one another. 
BUSH: And I will do my part...
{30 seconds later}
BUSH: We will choose to act confidently in pursuing the enemies of freedom or
retreat from our duties in the hope of an easier life.

So, right there, he started putting out the black & white sweeping statements
that essentially call you a coward or lazy if you try to analyze or 
debate our reasons for going to war with anybody he deems
"enemies of freedom".  

What a draft dodging cocksucker.
 
 
twenex
response 13 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:35 UTC 2006

Well said.
tod
response 14 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:39 UTC 2006

re #11
  There are all kinds of
 bad influences from which you have to protect them, including sex,
 drugs, violence, profanity, the president of the United States...
Are you joking or are you actually trying to put the blinders on your kid
rather than explain the world through your eyes to him?

I spoke with my wife last night about the SOTUA.  She felt that GW had fumbled
quite a bit and really sounded awkward.  The thing which stood out to me most
were his claims about oil and then how he spun it into replacing coal as a
solution. (WTF?? You dummy!)  And then his brief mention of Katrina and
zipping right off the topic and into another one where he points out that half
of HIV folks in the USA are black and therefore he wants to help by directing
funding into "faith based" organizations.  (Dude, not only did you just break
CDC and HIPAA regulations by pointing out HIV stats but now you're telling
folks that black people have this disease cuz they're heathens!)

I really feel duped that we believed this guy when him and his cronies swore
up and down that Iraq was going to build nukes and had serious WMD only to
now see more and more how he's just a fire and brimstone prejudiced hick.
klg
response 15 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:50 UTC 2006

JP tells his son to think for himself.  Then, when the son's 
conclusions differ from JP's, JP tells him he's wrong?

There's an object lesson, for you.

jep
response 16 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 18:02 UTC 2006

re resp:14: He watched the speech.  Does that tell you anything?  If 
you recall, I related our conversations about it here in this item.  I 
don't think you could infer from what I said that I "put the blinders 
on" my son.  I am not clear on how you came up with that idea.

re resp:15: I have more information than my son does.  If he makes a 
mistake in his math homework, I help him to come to the correct 
answer.  I do it with his spelling, too.  And now I am just starting to 
do it with national affairs.
tod
response 17 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 18:06 UTC 2006

re #16
I inferred in what I reposted of what you said.  Did you read what I quoted
from you?

I also would like to add about last night's performance that for GW's oft
references of "enemies of freedom" that he sure did seem to forget about his
own gorilla gestapo that are enemies of free speech who arrest folks for
wearing quotable t-shirts to his speeches.  Reminded me quite a bit of Coleman
Young or Chairman Mao really...
marcvh
response 18 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 18:19 UTC 2006

Are there any successful politicians who will admit to having a concept of
irony?
happyboy
response 19 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 18:25 UTC 2006

nice george *oil monkey* bush telling the rest of us
that we are too dependant on petro.

harken energy, aloha petroleum, arbusto, bush exploration, etc.

i betcha if one of his girls gets knocked up at one of their
keggers she gets a nice quiet 'borshun...probably in france.
mcnally
response 20 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 18:35 UTC 2006

 re #12:  Are you saying he's a divider, not a uniter?

 re #15:  Alternatively, we can look at it this way:  Jep told his
 son to not pay attention to what's being said but to focus on
 whether the president seems like an honest person, whether he's
 comfortable giving the speech, etc..  His son thereby drew a
 conclusion about events that jep felt was substantially mistaken.

 Seems like a great metaphor for Bush's career to me.  Throughout
 his presidential career Bush's success has been pinned on people
 who cared less about whether what he was saying made sense than
 whether they felt he was, at heart, a "regular guy" or "a straight
 shooter" or "a good person." And look where that's got us.. 
 Jep's son has an excuse.  He's still a child and isn't expected
 to know much about politics and politicians, nor is he responsible
 for making political choices.  I expect more from adults who are
 voting for someone with an established record of falsehoods,
 evasions, and outright lies.
marcvh
response 21 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:02 UTC 2006

I don't know that it's a totally defunct way to look at politics.  A
couple nights ago on Colbert, Annie Duke noted that it was pretty easy
to get a read on some presidents, like Nixon and Clinton, and to tell
when they were lying.  Unfortunately such an approach leaves you
vulnerable to a president who appears to actually believe his own
bullshit.
rcurl
response 22 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:02 UTC 2006

The string "conserv did not pass Bush's lips... nothing about 
conservation, conserving.... or conservative for that matter. Increasing 
conservation of fuels would be the most immediately effective means to 
reduce costs and extend supplies while putting a major effort into 
alternatives to petroleum. "Peak oil" is another term not mentioned, and 
yet it is one of the most significant events of our age with worldwide 
repercusions that could well spell new wars.

And while "global trade" and "global economy" were said once each, "global 
warming" was not mentioned, yet it is the other ongoing event, along with 
Peak Oil, that are going to change the world of our descendents.

Bush did mention ethanol and hydrogen as alternative energy sources, but 
neither is a useful candidate to replace transportation fuels. The jury is 
still out on whether (and when) ethanol could produce more renewable 
energy than is consumed in its manufacture, and hydrogen is even more 
difficult to manufacture. 

The word "environment" was also not in Bush's vocabulary, with only one 
reference associated with ethanol/hydrogen (with no realizations of the 
environmental impacts of attempting to produce enough ethanol or hydrogen 
to replace petroleum). But what about resource depletion, pollution from 
coal burning, degradation of lands and the oceans, and the impacts on 
everythig of overpopulation? Not a word.

Bush did mouth "bipartisan" twice, and the Republican talking heads 
interviewed afterward almost all mentioned "bipartisan" and castigated 
Democrats for not being "bipartisan" enough, making it clear that their 
concept of "bipartisan" is agreeing with the Republican agenda.

There was one thing to Bush's credit, however: he smirked less than usual 
in delivering his platitudes.
nharmon
response 23 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:12 UTC 2006

I agree with Rane on everything except his 2nd to the last paragraph. I
think the democrats and republicans are way too polarized for anything
to be "bipartisan". Its just not going to happen any time soon, by fault
of both sides.
tod
response 24 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:20 UTC 2006

He said "hope" 20 times.
We can hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up
quicker, GW.
Seven of those 20 were specifically "hopeful society".
(I think that's a codeword for "schmuck"!)

Let's see:

Yet our greatness is not measured in power or luxuries, but by who we are 
and how we treat one another. So we strive to be a compassionate, decent, 
schmuck.

A schmuck depends on courts that deliver equal justice under law.

A schmuck has institutions of science and medicine that do not cut ethical 
corners and that recognize the matchless value of every life.

A schmuck expects elected officials to uphold the public trust.

A schmuck gives special attention to children who lack direction and love. 
Through the Helping America's Youth Initiative, we are encouraging caring 
adults to get involved in the life of a child.

A schmuck comes to the aid of fellow citizens in times of suffering and 
emergency and stays at it until they're back on their feet.

A schmuck acts boldly to fight diseases like HIV/AIDS, which can be 
prevented and treated and defeated.

rcurl
response 25 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:21 UTC 2006

Bipartisanship has to *start* with the party in power. Since they control
outcomes, it has to be apparent that they are adopting some outcomes favored
by the party not in power. Once they do that, it is more likely that the party
not in power will support more of the actions of the party in power.

It doesn't work in reverse. If the party not in power starts acting to support
more of the actions of the party in power, what does it gain them? Their
support wasn't *needed*, so they are not likely to have their agenda supported
too. 
tod
response 26 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:26 UTC 2006

My only burning question is:
What Christian name will we give the new Iraqi-Iranian country formed by our
crusaders?  New Texas?
mcnally
response 27 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 19:33 UTC 2006

 Checheneya.
klg
response 28 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 20:33 UTC 2006

Sorry, Charlie.  In math and spelling homework there is just one 
correct answer to each problem.  In politics, opinions vary and there 
is no emprirical means of determining which opinion is absolutely 
correct.  You can say, "In my opinion, your conclusion is incorrect 
based upon these facts and assumptions," but you can't just tell 
someone else, "I am right and you are wrong.  Case closed." 

Ah.  Curl must be referring ("start") to the way the Republicans 
supported Teddy's education legislation and campaign finance "reform."  
But what comes after the "start," Einstein?  (How short are their 
memories!?!?)
mcnally
response 29 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 20:54 UTC 2006

 > but you can't just tell someone else, "I am right and
 > you are wrong.  Case closed." 

 klg, thy name is Irony.
tod
response 30 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 20:55 UTC 2006

 but you can't just tell
 someone else, "I am right and you are wrong.  Case closed."

The president has declined another meeting and has taken issue with Sheehan's
calls for a withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

"She expressed her opinion; I disagree with it," Bush said in August. "I think
immediate withdrawal from Iraq would be a mistake."
klg
response 31 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 21:00 UTC 2006

MM, thy name is dishonesty.
happyboy
response 32 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 22:59 UTC 2006

oooh...i wouldn't throw THAT stone, bootlicker.
jep
response 33 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 00:11 UTC 2006

re resp:28: Dangit, I'm a bad parent.  I hate it when that happens.
twenex
response 34 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 00:13 UTC 2006

arf arf.
tod
response 35 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 00:16 UTC 2006

Whooooooops!
gull
response 36 of 107: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 01:09 UTC 2006

Re resp:8: You know, conservatives often complain about liberal 
political correctness.  But liberal political correctness mostly just 
consists of attempts to shame people who violate it.  Violating 
*conservative* political correctness can get you led away in handcuffs. 
 
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