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gull
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response 12 of 19:
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Oct 6 18:34 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:11: Yes, that's exactly what it is. The secondary on the
transformer is center-tapped, and the center tap is the neutral. It's
also grounded (or "earthed," for you British types.) This gives a 240V
system where no conductor is more than 120V above ground potential.
If it's a very new house, you might find NEMA 14-30 sockets. Until
relatively recently NEMA 10-30 and 10-50 sockets were more common.
They're a bit of a throwback as they don't have a separate safety
ground conductor. 10-30 was usually used for dryers and 10-50 for
stoves.
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ball
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response 13 of 19:
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Oct 6 19:49 UTC 2006 |
I just had a look at an electric tumble dryer and sure
enough, it has what looks like a NEMA 10-30 plug.
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rcurl
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response 14 of 19:
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Mar 30 18:59 UTC 2013 |
Let's see if anyone is still around here.....
This is only somewhat "Electrical Wiring" related, but there is no other more
relevant item, so I'll try it here.
I have a household X-10 light control system that sends activation codes
to switch and outlet units at programmmed times to turn lights on and off.
Over the past year the system became more and more erratic, until hardly
any control worked. The control xmttr has a LED pilot light that also, over
the past year, began to flicker. This is attributed on one discussion group
to line noise produced by CFLs. The situation became so bad I have replaced
several X-10 switch units with plug-in timers. However these can't be used
for outside lights, which stopped being controller.
Two days ago we arrived home after dark and discovered *half* of our
house power had failed. We have a three wire service, with two 120v hot
wire branches 180 degrees out of phase. This produces 240 volts for the
electric stove. All the 120 volt outlets and switches are distributed
about equally between the two branches. The power had only gone out on
one of the 120 volt branches. We've had many power failures in the past,
but they had always been total, not just on one branch.
The full power came back on after about 30 minutes, so no harm done. But
we subsequently noticed that the X-10 controlled lights were working
again: in particular, the outside lights went on in the evening and out
at morning. I finally noticed also that the X-10 Xmttr LED pilot light
no longer flickered!
Apparently power line noise much have been developing somwewhere outside
the house and got fixed during the 30 minute single-branch blackout. It
also means that CFL noise was not the culprit for the problem with X-10
control.
Has anyone else ever observed single-branch power noise and eventual
failure on a three-wire service, and know what in the power distrikbtion
system might cause this?
I've also submitted an inquiry to DTE.
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keesan
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response 15 of 19:
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Mar 31 00:14 UTC 2013 |
Jim suspects that DTE was working somewhere down the line and they replaced
something substandard and now it works.
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rcurl
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response 16 of 19:
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Mar 31 04:00 UTC 2013 |
I suspect that also - but WHAT "something"?
While the problem persisted, there was no dimming or fluctuations
observable from the lights on the separate branches. Also, I have
couplers (bridges) between the two phases as the X-10 control signal is
injected into only one of the branches. So "noise" at the X-10 carrier
frequency (120kH) would be found on both branches. (Of course I COULD
have isolated the two branches and put a scope on each to find out which
was the sources, but I mostly felt because of the online conference
comments that the cause was CFLs. It turns out, they were wrong.).
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arthurp
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response 17 of 19:
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Aug 28 03:35 UTC 2013 |
I had electical problems at one home that left something over 140 volts
on one side of the three line. The other side was fairly normal.
In talking informally to a local electrician from a good contracting
house I was given two possibilities for my problem. First a bad
connection somewhere on my neutral leg might allow one side to pull the
neutral away from center leaving too much voltage on the other leg. The
other, a bad transformer nearby.
Turned out to be the latter although I moved out before it was
corrected.
I suspect the same for you.
When the power failed it may well have been the transformer for your
block that died, or the outage took it past its last straw and either
way DTE put in a new one.
Quite likely your neighbors wouldn't have noticed problems unless they
also have some X10.
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rcurl
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response 18 of 19:
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Aug 28 04:10 UTC 2013 |
You're probably right. I could not get anyone at DTE to tell me what had
happened. I dind't ask the neighbors if they had a power outage as I
just assumed they did. Now you mention it, I wonder if any noticed the
one-sidedness of the outage.
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arthurp
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response 19 of 19:
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Aug 28 04:17 UTC 2013 |
I'm in the area of Prescott, AZ. We have a lot of really crazy thunder
storms this time of year. I just remembered that friends from work had
one of these one sided outages recently.
The power company where ever you are is in the business of telling
customers nothing no matter what. At least in the US. perhaps
elsewhere?...
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