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Grex > Agora46 > #121: California's Governor Gray Davis facing recall election | |
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gelinas
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response 119 of 264:
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Aug 14 03:27 UTC 2003 |
School ballots here also rotate, with every precinct having a different
ballot.
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scg
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response 120 of 264:
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Aug 14 03:44 UTC 2003 |
Klg is correct, but loses credibility points for quoting Fox News. ;)
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mrmat
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response 121 of 264:
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Aug 14 10:45 UTC 2003 |
Part of the reason they scramble the names on the ballot for each
district is because having your name at the top of the ballot gives you
an advantage. With so many names on the ballot, lazy voters may just
mark the first name they see or someone near the top of the ballot.
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johnnie
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response 122 of 264:
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Aug 14 13:23 UTC 2003 |
Yes, something like a 5% boost for being top of the ticket. Some fella
sued the state a while back for this reason, and so now they do the
lottery thing.
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gull
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response 123 of 264:
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Aug 14 14:40 UTC 2003 |
The Daily Show had fun with this last night.
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klg
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response 124 of 264:
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Aug 14 16:02 UTC 2003 |
We are, Mr. scg, fair and balanced.
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scott
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response 125 of 264:
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Aug 14 16:26 UTC 2003 |
Careful, klg. You might get sued for saying that registered phrase.
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klg
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response 126 of 264:
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Aug 17 00:26 UTC 2003 |
We don't think there is a danger of being sued unless we have realized a
commercial gain. So, please send us a check for $1,000. (On second
thought, from you we'd prefer cash.)
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scott
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response 127 of 264:
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Aug 17 02:33 UTC 2003 |
I'll forward your request to Mr. O'Reilly.
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jep
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response 128 of 264:
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Aug 17 02:44 UTC 2003 |
I agree with richard, resp:115, that a runoff would be sensible with
so many on the ballot.
I disagree with richard, resp:114, that the random order on the
ballots is senseless. There's enough of an advantage for being at the
top of the ballot that I'd expect the alphabetically first name to be
a shoo in. However, I'll admit it didn't occur to me just how
inconvenient it will be for the voters to have the names appear
randomly with so many on the ballot.
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rcurl
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response 129 of 264:
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Aug 17 03:06 UTC 2003 |
They are not exactly "random". The say alphabetical order originally drawn
is maintained, but permuted only by shifting the first name to the last
name place for each different assembly district. Therefore, if you have
the original fixed alphabetical order, you can find whoever you want.
However people with the same initial and subsequent letters in their names
are not permuted, so many candidates will not have their name in first
place anywhere.
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bru
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response 130 of 264:
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Aug 17 20:54 UTC 2003 |
also, there is some fear about well known names drawing votes away from
lesser known candidates.
Robert Dole is running as a republican
Micheal Jackson is running as an independent
Of course it isn't the mfamous people we all know. just local businessmen.
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gull
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response 131 of 264:
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Aug 17 22:03 UTC 2003 |
I think it would have been better to keep the 'conventional'
alphabetical order, but randomly stick a start point for each district
and treat the list as circular. That way you would randomize the person
at the top of the ballot without completely scrambling this list, and
names would be easier to find.
That's just a band-aid, though. The root of the problem is that it's
completely ridiculous to have 135 candidates on the ballot for a single
position.
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gull
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response 132 of 264:
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Aug 17 22:04 UTC 2003 |
s/stick/pick/
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pvn
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response 133 of 264:
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Aug 17 22:09 UTC 2003 |
stick was better.
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russ
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response 134 of 264:
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Aug 18 03:16 UTC 2003 |
I heard on the news that the Lt. Gov. essentially made a
plea for voters to oust Davis and elect him. This marks
the onset of "every man for himself" among the Democrats.
"Et tu, Cruz?" -- Gray Davis
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gull
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response 135 of 264:
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Aug 18 12:52 UTC 2003 |
His message all along has been "vote no, but vote for me," so he's been
talking out of both sides of his mouth for a while now.
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slynne
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response 136 of 264:
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Aug 18 15:01 UTC 2003 |
Not really. I mean he might want all the folks who vote no to the
recall to vote for him just in case the recall passes. What is he
supposed to say "vote no but vote for Arnold?"
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klg
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response 137 of 264:
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Aug 18 21:30 UTC 2003 |
Yes. Go, Ah-nuld.
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richard
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response 138 of 264:
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Aug 18 22:59 UTC 2003 |
#135..the lt. governor is a democrat and is pushing the democrats
current strategy. He is encouraging everyone to vote no on the recall,
but on the recall ballot to vote for him JUST IN CASE. He's in a no
lose situation because he'll either end up governor or will
dramatically increase his name recognition/exposure in advance of the
next regular election for governor, when he'd presumably be the leading
candidate or one of them.
There are now polls showing this vote no/vote yes strategy might work,
schwarzenegger's numbers are slipping and I guess the lt. governor is
well known enough that he's seen as a safe alternative in the event the
recall goes through.
I predict here and now that the recall will fail, because voters will
realize that the only way to discourage the possibility of another
recall vote next year and the year after and every year going forward,
is to nip this one in the bud. This recall petition effort was
succesful because one candidate, Issa, is a multi millionaire and
pumped several million of his own money into heavy advertising. Which
was more than enough to get most of the people who voted AGAINST Davis
last time to sign petitions. I mean they'd have to figure why not,
they didn't vote for him in the first place. So now that the formula
for a succesful petition drive is in place, it'll happen again and
again. Unless voters express their solid preferance at the polls for
having elections every four years.
This special recall election will cost this state, in an economic
crisis, $60-75 million to put on. Surely voters will realize that no
matter how much they dislike Davis now, it isn't worth setting the
precedent and spending the money, not just this year but in years to
come. And make no mistake, if Davis is recalled, and replaced by a
Republican, there will be Democrats more than willing to spend millions
of dollars on another massive recall petition next year. Because
turnabout is fair play. The only sensible move is to stop this now.
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russ
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response 139 of 264:
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Aug 19 11:28 UTC 2003 |
Ah-nold is pro-choice and otherwise socially liberal. His election
in California would all but certainly spell the end of the radical
right's lock on the party there. One wonders why klg is rooting for
him, when he'd be such a disaster for much of klg's agenda.
Re #138: $70 million is less than 1% of California's projected deficit.
It's idiocy to quibble about it without addressing the big-ticket
items, and that's one thing that hasn't been done under Gray Davis.
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scott
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response 140 of 264:
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Aug 19 13:17 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, the hard right is starting to back away from Ahnold in California.
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klg
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response 141 of 264:
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Aug 19 16:11 UTC 2003 |
We think that practically any electable Republican is preferable to a
Democrat. Ah-nuld seems to realize the key to putting the state back
on its feet is to improve the business climate by reducing tax and
regulatory burdens.
How can the state government pursue that policy without reducing
government give-aways?
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scott
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response 142 of 264:
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Aug 19 18:49 UTC 2003 |
The current federal govt. seems to have no philosophical problem with
give-aways.
Oh, you mean give-aways to non-rich people! How silly of me.
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rcurl
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response 143 of 264:
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Aug 19 19:52 UTC 2003 |
...and give-aways to industry. I don't think klg is opposed to those. I
wonder why, though: is he an industral magnate?
I think that any electable Democrat is preferable to any Republican. Then
there would be more attention to human and enviromental issues, and less to
enriching a few industrialists.
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