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richard
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response 118 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:41 UTC 2006 |
re #116 it is not always simple to lose weight, because everyone's metabolisms
work at different rates.
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edina
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response 119 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:42 UTC 2006 |
Really Richard? Really? do you think?
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scholar
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response 120 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:09 UTC 2006 |
All I'm saying is that there were strong evolutionary advantages to people
eating as much food as possible, and that this was good when food would
sometimes be scarce but is a disadvantage now when we're producing food much
faster than we can eat it.
One thing that I think might happen: Since people who are obese have less
healthy babies and fewer sexual partners (probably), will less voracious genes
become more plentiful? I'm not sure how to go about analyzing that
scientifically, but it seems sort of plausible to me!
To sum up: take up nicotine or cocaine for a few months to lose weight.
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edina
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response 121 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:12 UTC 2006 |
I need some cites on your info of less healthy babies - and fewer sexual
partners.
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scholar
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response 122 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:17 UTC 2006 |
Fuck.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/obesity/e_txtbk/ratnl/22111.htm for the
foetus thing.
The fewer sexual partners thing is just a guess, though I might be able to
find a study or whatever if I dick around a bit!
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edina
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response 123 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:24 UTC 2006 |
No pun intended.
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bru
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response 124 of 378:
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Mar 7 20:14 UTC 2006 |
it used to be that men of larger size had more sexual partners since size
indicated wealth.
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richard
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response 125 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:03 UTC 2006 |
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cyklone
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response 126 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:04 UTC 2006 |
Lynne, you're slipping into emotion and further from logic. Your reference
to men and women having different costs is one example, since by your
previously stated rationale of states v. behavior you are comparing apples
and orange. Gender is a state. No one disputes that. You assert obesity is
also a state. Many dispute that. To mix the fruit metaphor further, now
you're just cherry-picking. FWIW, I have friends and acquaintences who are
fat or maybe even obese. What I posted on m-net applies here: I don't mind
fat people at all, as long as they can pull their weight. But they don't
get a free pass anymore than my alcoholic friends. I think you have failed
to make your case that obesity is state and not a result of behavior.
Certainly it is for some, and perhaps even you. But you haven't made a
convincing case that is true for even a bare majority of overweight or
obese people. And BTW, I don't oppose the anti-discrimination laws you
mentioned. My "carb tax" would apply to people of all weights.
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richard
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response 127 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:06 UTC 2006 |
scholar said:
"take up nicotine or cocaine for a few months to lose weight."
Actually studies have shown that many women take up smoking because they
believe it to aid in weight loss. Others will do cocaine or other hard
drugs for the same reason.
There are no studies that I've seen that actually say smoking cigarettes
causes weight loss.
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nharmon
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response 128 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:08 UTC 2006 |
I've never seen a fat crack addict.
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richard
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response 129 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:10 UTC 2006 |
re #127 however I guess if you are smoking cigs you aren't eating twinkies
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scholar
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response 130 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:21 UTC 2006 |
nicotine doesn't make you lose weight, but it alleviates hunger.
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richard
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response 131 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:22 UTC 2006 |
the current crystal meth epidemic is more of a problem among women than men,
because women are taking it as a way of suppressing appetite and increasing
metabolism. Taking it as a diet aide essentially.
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edina
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response 132 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:40 UTC 2006 |
I'm sorry - based on what?
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richard
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response 133 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:47 UTC 2006 |
edina when you had this surgery, did you worry that a smaller stomach and an
impaired ability to take in nutrients in the amounts you used to, might impact
the advisability of your one day having kids? I mean I guess gastric bypass
patients can still have kids, but doesnt it make it more difficult to feed
for two during pregnancy?
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rcurl
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response 134 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:49 UTC 2006 |
I believe that there is no argument whatsoever with the fact that if one
diets properly one will lose weight. So it is simply an unwillingness to diet
in order to lose weight that maintains obesity. That is certainly a matter
of behavior.
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edina
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response 135 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:49 UTC 2006 |
No, I didn't worry. It doesn't take that many more calories to sustain a
child when pregnant.
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edina
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response 136 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:50 UTC 2006 |
Rane slipped.
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tod
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response 137 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:04 UTC 2006 |
re #135
That's a whole other topic altogether...I've seen some chicks that double
their weight with a pregnancy and then never lose the weight afterward. Oh
man..that could be an entire conference in bbs for discussion.
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marcvh
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response 138 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:06 UTC 2006 |
A couple of my relatives have had the bypass surgery, but they are
apparently unable (or unwilling) to change their eating habits,
particularly with respect to drinking high-calorie beverages (mostly
milk, I think.) The upshot is that, for them, the surgery has not
been effective. Personally I think they might have had better luck
seeking treatment for their compulsive overeating disorder instead
of seeking surgery, but I guess that's easy to say when you're
talking about someone else.
#134 sounds like a "you are in a helicopter" response.
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richard
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response 139 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:10 UTC 2006 |
its also drinking alcoholic beverages. If you are going to drink a 12 pack
of beer or two bottles of wine a day, you may as well not have the surgery.
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tod
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response 140 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:11 UTC 2006 |
Know alot of fat winos?
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edina
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response 141 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:14 UTC 2006 |
Drinking alcohol I have pretty much given up 100%. I'll still have the
occasional glass of port (like once a year) or a sip of margarita. It's
turned me into a total "lightweight". Hah!
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scholar
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response 142 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:15 UTC 2006 |
:)
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