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krj
response 114 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 21:31 UTC 2003

From Declan McCullagh on Cnet:  A congressional committee calls for 
file sharing at Universities to be treated as a serious Federal 
crime.  (It is already defined as such under the NET act, which 
nobody seems to want to use to prosecute users, as the law is 
intended.)  One congressman makes an analogy to assault and murder.
 
The general demand is that the Universities stop their students from
running file sharing.
 
http://news.com.com/2100-1028-986143.html?tag=fd_top
jmsaul
response 115 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 21:34 UTC 2003

That's almost impossible, once the students figure out what's happening.

Some people have no perspective.
mcnally
response 116 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 00:24 UTC 2003

  Just wait until the "assault and murder" P2P clients are released and
  then we'll really see some legislative panic!
other
response 117 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 00:28 UTC 2003

Did someone cry Wolf?  Or was it "the sky is falling?"  it all sounds the 
same anymore...
gull
response 118 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 27 00:43 UTC 2003

I wonder if Congressmen have any idea of the technical challenges
involved.  Attempts to block instant messenging in corporate
environments are instructive -- they've merely resulted in instant
messaging clients that create network traffic that looks very much like
web browsing, to firewalls.
polygon
response 119 of 163: Mark Unseen   Feb 28 04:28 UTC 2003

Re 117.  From the perspective of the pop music world, the sky IS falling.
Not that it bothers me any.
krj
response 120 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 15:50 UTC 2003

Here's a fun new essay, from a print media guy's perspective, about
the reactions of the music and movie business in the face of the 
Internet driving the value of *all* media towards zero.
 
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/columns/medialife/n_8384/ind
ex.html
"Stop, Thief!"  by Michael Wolff
 
   "For one thing, it is very strange to have entertainment executives--
    generally regarded as among the most amoral, conniving and venal 
    of all businessmen -- taking the high ground.  And yet here they are
    delivering heartfelt defenses of artists, and even art itself--they
    see the very essend of the nation's cultural patrimony at risk.
    And you really don't sense a phony or opportunistic note.  
    Rather these guys actually seem to be losing sleep over this.
    It's right and wrong they're arguing about here.  Good character
    versus a virtual barbarian deluge.  They believe, with feeling,
    that bad or sadly misguided people do this digital pilfering...
 
   "The other odd thing is that these guys who have built their careers
    and their industry on trying to give an audience exactly what it 
    wants -- no matter how low and valueless and embarrassing -- are 
    now standing with a high-church rectitude against the meretricious
    desires of this same group.  It is a bizarrely out-of-character
    role: holding the line.  Censuring the public.   *Suing* the public!
    Indeed, branding the great American mass-media audience as a 
    craven and outlaw group."
 
    ...
 
   "...*everybody* can't be an outlaw.  If everybody does it, it's 
    normal rather than aberrant behavior.  It's not so much the consumer
    who is on the wrong side of the law, but the entertainment industry
    that's on the wrong side of economic laws."
goose
response 121 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 14:05 UTC 2003

RE#118 -- Are corporate environments trying to squash IMs?  We view it
as "critical infrastructure" to quote my boss.  It's a great tool.
gull
response 122 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 4 14:31 UTC 2003

Some are.  We haven't tried, for the most part, where I work.  Some
places view it as either a major time-waster, or as a threat to
security.  Not only have many IM packages turned out to have significant
security holes, IM traffic is much harder to log than email.  That can
lead to legal exposures or risks of people leaking trade secrets undetected.
jaklumen
response 123 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 5 01:20 UTC 2003

I know Trillian, as a multi-user IM client, has an option to log 
conversations.  I know nothing about the programming involved, but 
even if it's harder, I suppose it may still be theoretically possible.

If security programs can currently log keystrokes entered on a 
machine, why not this?  (This is not a rhetorical question, I'm 
honestly listening.)
other
response 124 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 5 01:34 UTC 2003

Keystroke loggers do not discriminate.  Logging everything is more 
insecure than not logging important conversations.  Besides, a keystroke 
logger will only record the outgoing half of the conversation.
mdw
response 125 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 00:06 UTC 2003

It depends on how much authentication and encryption IM does.  If IM
used Diffie-Hellman, for instance, then without getting a copy of the
private key used at one end, there won't be any way to recover the
shared secret and decrypt whatever is protected using it.  If you can
install software on the client machine, instead of a keyboard log, you
might instead want to log all screen updates done by the IM client.  Of
course, if you want to search the text, depending on where you hook into
the graphics subsystem, you might have to do character recognition of
bitmapped graphics.
gull
response 126 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 6 15:26 UTC 2003

Are there any current IM clients that actually do encryption?  I thought
they were mostly using plaintext.
goose
response 127 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 16:32 UTC 2003

A quick Google shows that VeriSign and AOL are or were working on an encrypted
IM client.  and I see a news report from April 2001 reporting on Novell and
Mercury Prime(?) making encrypted IM clients..

goroke
response 128 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 15:11 UTC 2003

I'm entering this discussion late in the game, and haven't looked at any of
the earlier incarnations in some time, but I am surprised that the recording
industry isn't trying to take advantage of the positive aspects of
file-trading, rather than trying to kill it off altogether.  Using the radio
analogy, it seems to me that a workable solution would be to concentrate not
on the trading of files per se, but on the trading of high-quality stereo
files suitable for CD burning and avoidance of purchasing high-quality
commercial copies.  I don't know about the current service providers, but
Napster always claimed that they were providing users with the ability to "try
before you buy".  Not that I necessarily *believe* that, but if the industry
had called their bluff, and negotiated a deal whereby files could be traded
only if they were of sufficiently low quality (perhaps even requiring that
they be monaural) to make them unsuitable for CD burning, while being of just
high enough quality to give a fair idea of the content, the industry could
have gained another avenue to promote its products.  After all, amazon.com
as well as several other music marketplaces already have marginal-quality
monaural excerpts on selected tracks for CDs they offer for sale.
scott
response 129 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 8 16:05 UTC 2003

The record industry has not been noted for its intelligence lately.  Had it
been a bit smarter and more willing to take risks it could have started a
decent download service years ago.
gull
response 130 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 03:28 UTC 2003

Remember, this is the same industry that thought it should be illegal to
buy blank cassette tapes.
mcnally
response 131 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 03:56 UTC 2003

  ..and effectively killed DAT as a consumer audio format and nearly did the
  same to MiniDisc.
goose
response 132 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 14:07 UTC 2003

YEs, if it wasn't for the tenacity of Sony we'd not have MiniDisc's
anderyn
response 133 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 15:11 UTC 2003

Which is agood thing (having MiniDiscs!)
polytarp
response 134 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 10 20:09 UTC 2003

JABBER !
gull
response 135 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 01:34 UTC 2003

I've avoided MiniDisc because I don't like formats that only one
manufacturer supports.
scott
response 136 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 04:19 UTC 2003

It's a semi-propriety standard, but there are certainly recorders and media
available from manufacturers other than Sony.
jazz
response 137 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 14:52 UTC 2003

        Sony was, though, as usual, very late in opening up the specification
to the MD format.
gull
response 138 of 163: Mark Unseen   Mar 11 15:00 UTC 2003

Yup.  I kind of figured it was doomed to be the 8-track tape of the
digital world, and it's looking like I was probably right.
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