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scott
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response 110 of 122:
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Jan 20 22:53 UTC 1999 |
-san is like "Mr.", or "person". It's pretty neutral. "-sama" usually
translates to "lord", at least in old stuff (not sure about now). "-chan"
is how you refer to your kids, and "-kun" is pretty intimate...
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keesan
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response 111 of 122:
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Jan 25 00:57 UTC 1999 |
Ken, I listened to Maria again and identified the track that sounded
Bulgarian. It is number 7, Sofias flykt. I did not read the list of tracks
to identify it. Sofia is the capital of Bulgaria. The rest sounds
Scandinavian. Interesting rhythms in teh Bulgarian one and I think also in
a few of the others. 7/8, etc. The Inca music has some pieces with 5 measure
repeated units. Hungarian music repeats 6 measures. Dvorak has some unusual
combinations of rhythms. Most folk and classical W. European music is pretty
predictable as far as beats/measure or measures/phrase: 2/4 3/4 and 4
measures/phrase or some multiple. Are there any folk traditions or other
classical or other composers who play/write in 5/8, 13/8, 5 measures/phrase,
etc? I have not analyzed the Armenian or Indian or Iranian music yet.
Balkan music (Albanian, Macedonian, Bulgarian) has 5/8, 7/8, 9/8, 11/8, 13/8.
Fun to dance to.
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orinoco
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response 112 of 122:
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Jan 25 19:31 UTC 1999 |
Bartok uses some folk songs (Hungarian, I presume, but I may be wrong) in 5/8
and 7/8 as melodies in a few pieces.
From what I've heard about traditional Indian music, I think it tends to have
irregular groups of 2 and 3 beats; things like 3/8 - 3/8 - 2/8 - 2/8, which
adds up to 5/4 if you think of it as one big measure. On the other hand, most
of the recordings of Indian music I've heard sounded like they were in
straight 4/4 or 3/4, so I'm not so sure how common that sort of irregular
rhythm is.
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omni
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response 113 of 122:
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Jan 26 09:18 UTC 1999 |
Go get "The Songs of India" by Ravi Shankar. He explains the different
rhythm patterns. Very informative. Even more is reading his autobio.
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keesan
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response 114 of 122:
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Jan 27 18:34 UTC 1999 |
I wonder whether the gypsy musicians, originally from India, helped spread
the 5/4 type of rhythm to the Balkans and Hungary, where it is common.
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oddie
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response 115 of 122:
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May 28 16:59 UTC 1999 |
Well, there hasn't been much activity in this item for a while and
I'm not sure if anyone is still interested in discussing it, but if you like
both folk music and classical music you might enjoy the Kronos Quartet CD
'Pieces of Africa.' It's a bunch of pieces by current African composers
for string quartet, but is influenced quite a lot by traditional African
music. I like it a lot. But then I like almost all of Kronos' CDs that I have
heard, especially _Short Stories_ and _White Man Sleeps_.
Just my thoughts on the matter...
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cwb
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response 116 of 122:
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Aug 3 14:59 UTC 2000 |
Here are some suggestions for the classical music lover wanting to widen
her tastes.
In the jazz realm, try Kurt Elling, a marvelous vocalist. I would in
particular recommend his third album 'At the Green Mill' or something
very like that. He plays with rhythm in a neat manner and his voice is
truly his instrument, as central as the content of his songs, both
original and cover.
Michael Hedges was definitely a guitarist who could appeal both
intellectually and spiritually through his music. I'd recommend the
albums "Taproot" and "Aerial Boundaries" as most likely to appeal.
You could also try a group called Raphael with their two albums of
"music to disappear in." This is probably classed as newage (rhymes
with sewage), but of style it is head and shoulders above the pack, with
an interesting translation of the "In Paradiso" from the Faure requiem
into newage synthe-pop. I use this music frequently when doing massage;
I love it a lot, it's also fine meditation music.
The Jethrow Tull album with North Sea Oil on it is called Storm Watch,
and it is a neat album, though Songs From the Wood is still my favorite
Tull album.
Finally, I would disagree with denigrating Yes's 90125 album for those
looking for their classical influences. It is true the complexity of
the music changed from earlier releases, but it is still rich, though
perhaps further removed from classical sources, one can still hear them.
And for rhythmic interest the song Changes has a neat intro, as does
the song Leave It.
I had several more, but 115 responses drove some of them out of my head.
Oh wait, did anyone mention Ennya?
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other
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response 117 of 122:
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Aug 3 18:12 UTC 2000 |
How could you forget the Moody Blues? Albums actually recorded with the
London Philharmonic, etc...?
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brighn
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response 118 of 122:
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Aug 3 19:39 UTC 2000 |
For that matter, Metallica recently released an album of hits with classical
backing (the closest heavy metal might ever come to "muzak metal").
And ELP did Pictures at an Exhibition, or somesuch...
Putting classical instruments in pop music seemed popular in early 80s "New
Wave." The obvious example is ABC's Lexicon of Love, but others include
Communards, Art of Noise, and Eurythmics, plus (later) Sundays and the genre
that followed from that.
Musak meets pop meets classical meets moog has St. Etienne as one of its finer
examples... the music is hopelessly vapid and confusingly complex at once,
one of my quirkier favorites.
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tpryan
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response 119 of 122:
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Aug 4 03:25 UTC 2000 |
Deep Purple did something akin to "Music for two unfriendly groups
of instruments" with a classical orchestra.
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lumen
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response 120 of 122:
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Aug 4 06:14 UTC 2000 |
resp:118 classical meets Moog.. reminds me of Wendy Carlos. Definitely
a different instrumentation scheme.
In that vein, I would think even Kraftwerk would be worthy of
consideration, although I have only _The Mix_ for observation. Some
music critics consider their form to be a bit more classical in
structure than pop (i.e., folk), so I would make it a recommendation.
My father-in-law is a classical enthusiast and loves "Switched on
Bach," so I am going to see what he thinks of this German programming
band.
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brighn
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response 121 of 122:
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Aug 4 14:39 UTC 2000 |
St Etienne is more on the pop end, with those other influences in there.
A friend of mine loaned me a very rare Weird Al/Wendy Carlos rendition of
Peter and the Wolf, but it was fairly inaccessible to me... too weird.
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orinoco
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response 122 of 122:
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Sep 8 16:16 UTC 2000 |
ELP's version of "pictures at an exhibition, or somesuch" is definitely more
on the side of "somesuch." They delete most of my favorite movements, add
new (fairly dreadful) sections, etc. Given how faithful some of their
classical arrangements are, I was amazed at how much they butchered this one.
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