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naftee
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response 11 of 138:
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Jan 12 06:03 UTC 2004 |
heh
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naftee
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response 12 of 138:
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Jan 12 06:04 UTC 2004 |
Nicely phrased, kip!
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other
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response 13 of 138:
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Jan 12 06:57 UTC 2004 |
As long as we're on the legal analogy, I'd like to point out that
not all rulings which contravene previously standard practice
actually establish valid precedent.
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gull
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response 14 of 138:
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Jan 12 16:11 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:5: The current policy is staff will only remove items if your
name is jep.
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naftee
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response 15 of 138:
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Jan 12 16:27 UTC 2004 |
Or, as they prefer, JEP.
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gelinas
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response 16 of 138:
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Jan 12 18:23 UTC 2004 |
(The current policy, as much as there is one, is that staff will not remove
items.)
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jmsaul
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response 17 of 138:
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Jan 12 23:09 UTC 2004 |
Re #13: Remarkable how few people seem to understand that.
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jlamb
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response 18 of 138:
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Jan 12 23:11 UTC 2004 |
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jp2
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response 19 of 138:
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Jan 15 03:46 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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kip
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response 20 of 138:
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Jan 15 15:59 UTC 2004 |
Umm, to which address did you send that? I only have the Jan 6th request in
my staff email account.
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jp2
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response 21 of 138:
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Jan 15 16:35 UTC 2004 |
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janc
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response 22 of 138:
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Jan 15 17:04 UTC 2004 |
>> So, it's been like a week since I requested that coop:39 be killed
>> because I don't like it. I have received no response at all from the
>> staff and the item is still there. Could I again request that it be
>> killed?
> As you know, it is not possible to delete the item in accordance to
> Grex policy, so staff cannot act on this request. If compelling reasons
> were shown why it needs to be deleted, then it is theoretically possible
> that either the board or membership might vote you a special exception
> which would enable staff to act.
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> My guess as a non-board member is that unless the circumstances were far,
> far more compelling than any case now under consideration, it would be the
> preference of the board to defer that decision to the membership. This
> seems to be possible in this instance, because having publically announced
> that you wish this item deleted, you clearly are not concerned that people
> might save copies before the item can be deleted if your desire to have it
> deleted was publicized.
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> As such, the most effective way for you to waste as many people's times
> as possible while further burdening Grex's already cumbersome and
> overloaded administrative processes with an idiotic attempt to make an
> imaginary point might be to enter a member proposal.
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> I wish you all the luck in your endeaver that you deserve.
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> - Jan Wolter
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jp2
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response 23 of 138:
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Jan 15 17:09 UTC 2004 |
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albaugh
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response 24 of 138:
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Jan 15 18:19 UTC 2004 |
> As you know, it is not possible to delete the item in accordance to
> Grex policy, so staff cannot act on this request.
And just what *is* that policy, pray tell?! If there were such a policy,
surely it was documented, and could be dragged out and posted for all to read.
And there would therefore be no need for the proposal on the subject now
alive in coop.
Either there is (was!) a policy or there isn't. If there is, let's see it,
please.
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cyklone
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response 25 of 138:
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Jan 15 18:55 UTC 2004 |
The "personal favors for favored persons" policy has not been written
anywhere as it directly contradicts grex's professed dedication to free
and uncensored speech.
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carson
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response 26 of 138:
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Jan 15 19:14 UTC 2004 |
(resp:24 there isn't a policy, and the item can't be deleted in
accordance with a policy that doesn't exist. that's my take on what
Jan meant, although he's certainly more qualified to clarify his
comments than I am.)
(I also think Jan's response was amusing, although it doesn't please me
that he had to write it.) :P
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albaugh
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response 27 of 138:
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Jan 15 22:17 UTC 2004 |
Not that I support jp2's call to have item #39 deleted, but if there truly
is no policy, then it certainly can't be used to explain why the item can't
be deleted *because* of policy. If I am missing obvious sarcasm in the
response, then I plead guilty.
A "better" response IMO would be something like "C'mon jp2, gimme a break,
you know there is no policy on this yet, so we are under no obligation to act
on your request. We are going to do what should have been done before jep's
items were deleted: Have grex reach consensus or see a policy established."
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jp2
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response 28 of 138:
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Jan 15 22:19 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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bhoward
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response 29 of 138:
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Jan 16 01:37 UTC 2004 |
Seems a fair trade.
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naftee
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response 30 of 138:
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Jan 16 02:50 UTC 2004 |
Just like the board election.
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aruba
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response 31 of 138:
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Jan 16 20:48 UTC 2004 |
What makes anyone think that all Grex policies are documented? Are all the
policies where you work documented? Do you expect Grex to be a more
beareucratic institution than a for-profit business?
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cyklone
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response 32 of 138:
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Jan 16 20:59 UTC 2004 |
Do you think that non-profits and not-for-profits are excused from
documenting things in writing? Guess again. Your questions again display
the "grex as personal playground" approach I find so distasteful. At the
very least, when grex claims to support free and uncensored speech, then
yes, I damn sure expect any policies in opposition to free speech and in
support of censorship to be in writing. I really don't think that's asking
too much.
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albaugh
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response 33 of 138:
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Jan 16 21:13 UTC 2004 |
With all due respect, aruba - and I *do* respect you and other grex baff - a
policy is not a "policy" unless it *is* documented. Otherwise it's
"folklore", passed down from one baff to another, I guess. And allows for
a valerie to claim "I *thought* it was OK for someone to kill her own post,
so that's all I did."
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aruba
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response 34 of 138:
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Jan 16 21:18 UTC 2004 |
It's asking way too much to ask that all Grex policies be documented. We
wouldn't have a Grex at all if that were a requirement, because the people
who founded it would never have agreed to that. Grex policy has always
been to have as few rules as possible.
Grex is not anyone's personal playground. But it is not a government
organization or a publicly traded company, either. If you want that level
of organization, you're going to have to look somewhere else. In
particular, you're going to have to go to an institution where you're
paying someone's salary to serve you.
I don't object to clarifying policies, but your indignation at them not
being written in blood already displays a real misunderstanding of the way
things work. In order for Grex to function at all, we need to strike a
balance between staff members knowing what's expected of them, but not
expecting them to meet such high standards that they won't be willing to
do it for free.
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aruba
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response 35 of 138:
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Jan 16 21:22 UTC 2004 |
Kevin slipped in. With all due respect to him, he's wrong. A policy
doesn't have to be written down to exist. Writing it down clarifies that
everyone is on the same page, provided everyone has read what's written.
Should we write up a handbook of grex policies, and require all prospective
staffers to pass a test on the contents?
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