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Grex > Agora47 > #214: Election year approaches - the solution to the education problem. | |
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happyboy
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response 11 of 29:
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Dec 9 20:50 UTC 2003 |
re9: talk him out of it.
re10: i guess special ed let you down.
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keesan
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response 12 of 29:
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Dec 9 22:00 UTC 2003 |
Teachers get three months off in which to earn even more money.
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gelinas
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response 13 of 29:
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Dec 9 22:08 UTC 2003 |
Not really. They have to continue taking classes to maintain their teaching
certificates.
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tod
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response 14 of 29:
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Dec 9 23:50 UTC 2003 |
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beeswing
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response 15 of 29:
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Dec 10 00:49 UTC 2003 |
Yep. My summer vacation will not be a vacation at all. I'll be doing
summer school full time for certification.
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other
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response 16 of 29:
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Dec 10 00:54 UTC 2003 |
Bruce, the only requirements for earning a high salary are
perseverance and intelligence.
Oh...
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happyboy
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response 17 of 29:
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Dec 10 02:31 UTC 2003 |
8D
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krj
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response 18 of 29:
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Dec 10 17:52 UTC 2003 |
Here's a theory you can boot around: Public schools were badly damaged
by the feminist movement.
Before the 1970s, teaching and nursing were among the very few professions
which were wide open for talented women. Because the public schools
had a more-or-less captive labor supply, schools didn't have to pay
competitive salaries -- teachers, mostly women, couldn't get into
other, better-paying fields. Once the rest of the economy opened
to women, education lost its hold on the supply of talented women.
I keep seeing solutions which I characterize as "fiat economics:"
attempting to declare that teachers will become better.
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gull
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response 19 of 29:
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Dec 10 18:53 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:10: Anyone can become rich if they stop being lazy. Rush
Limbaugh told me so. ;> (No, I don't believe it either.)
Re resp:18: I think that's pretty much dead-on.
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slynne
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response 20 of 29:
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Dec 10 20:36 UTC 2003 |
Yes. The funny thing is that you often see "shortages" in both nursing
and teaching because the powers that be arent willing to pay the new
market wage for those fields even *years* after women started getting
into other things.
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anderyn
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response 21 of 29:
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Dec 10 20:40 UTC 2003 |
I don't know about perseverance and intelligence being the only prerequisites
for a high salary. I *certainly* have the intelligence, and perseverance, but
I don't make a high salary. Of course, the fact that I don't want to leave
the job I have to take a step into the unknown and probably much more
stressful world of new things has something to do with that, but I have always
felt that loyalty and stability have points in their favor as well.
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gull
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response 22 of 29:
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Dec 10 20:42 UTC 2003 |
I'm not really sure why the free market fails in these cases. Shouldn't
wages "automatically" rise as supply tightens?
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klg
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response 23 of 29:
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Dec 10 20:52 UTC 2003 |
(Assuming a perfectly competitive market and if the purchasers are
willing and able to pay more.)
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slynne
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response 24 of 29:
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Dec 10 21:07 UTC 2003 |
When it comes to chronic shortages, yes...the free market should cause
wages to rise. However, there are other solutions. In nursing you see a
lot of duties that used to be done by registered nurses now being done
by people with less training which in a way has reduced the demand for
nurses.
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tod
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response 25 of 29:
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Dec 10 21:28 UTC 2003 |
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twenex
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response 26 of 29:
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Dec 10 21:30 UTC 2003 |
Y'all forgot the Old Boy Network.
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flem
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response 27 of 29:
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Dec 11 19:52 UTC 2003 |
Remember, public school teachers are paid from public school budgets,
which are set by elected officials.... who keep cutting them to pay off
their special interests. In traditional supply and demand economics,
when demand goes up, the amount of money that is (potentially) available
goes up. That doesn't happen here.
Or maybe demand hasn't gone up enough yet. Maybe in order for demand
to really affect the supply of money available for paying teachers,
educational conditions will have to get so bad that voters will force
politicians to actually pay attention to education.
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gelinas
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response 28 of 29:
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Dec 11 19:58 UTC 2003 |
"[School budges] are set by elected officials.... who keep cutting them
to pay off their special interests."
So that's why the State of Michigan is cutting the amounts allocated to
education, both k-12 schools and colleges and universities?
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gull
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response 29 of 29:
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Dec 12 15:48 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:27: I think it's more likely that bad conditions will be used as
an excuse to get rid of public schools altogether.
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