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scholar
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response 109 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:06 UTC 2006 |
I like fat people and don't think they should have to pay extra and feel bad.
:(
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slynne
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response 110 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:08 UTC 2006 |
Well, thank you scholar.
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scholar
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response 111 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:13 UTC 2006 |
You're welcome!
You can repay me by teaching me how to dance like John Travolta did in Pulp
Fiction!
Then I'd be cool!
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richard
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response 112 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:14 UTC 2006 |
re #108 the bias against fat people is because too many people just assume
that a person has gotten fat out of bad habits. They don't take into account
that not everyone's metabolism works at the same rate and that fatness can
be tied into genetics. Notice how many fat parents have fat kids. Sometimes
there is nothing you can do about it
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nharmon
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response 113 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:20 UTC 2006 |
Scholar, have you seen "Team America: World Police" ? If not, you
probably misunderstood my joke ;)
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tod
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response 114 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:21 UTC 2006 |
Watch a platoon of Marine recruits from beginning to end. You won't see one
fatbody on graduation day yet many of them started off as such. The behavior
change made all the difference. Sleep, exercise, nutrition, the whole 9
yards play integral parts. Its also a proven fat that being obese is bad for
mental health.
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slynne
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response 115 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:26 UTC 2006 |
resp:112 Indeed. And it doesnt help that most fat people do have bad
eating habits and dont exercise. People just selectively dont notice
that most thin people also have bad eating habits and dont exercise.
resp:114 The Marines wont take people above a certain weight in the
first place. And what happens to Marines who fail to get into shape in
boot camp? I will say that the lifestyle of your average Marine isnt
something that most Americans have the time to do. But hey, if the life
of a Marine really is good for weight loss, they might want to use that
when they try to recruit new people.
Also re resp:114 - Yes, there is a strong correlation between certain
mental disorders and being fat. But is that because fat people have to
deal with people constantly telling them that they are worthless, lazy,
disgusting people or does the extra body fat actually cause a change in
brain chemicals. Or maybe, depression can cause a person to overeat.
Who knows?
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scholar
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response 116 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:27 UTC 2006 |
I believe that some people have a tendency to be fatter than other people
(based on what foods they were fed as children, their metabolism, how strong
their urges to eat are, where they live, depression, anxiety, availability
of exercise, etc.), but that everyone knows how to lose weight and it's really
actually pretty simple, and so it's merely a battle of will-power and being
able to supress the possibly severe discomfort, but that due to the
environment in which we evolved, this can be very difficult and probably
impossible for some people.
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edina
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response 117 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:40 UTC 2006 |
Re 115 Ok - who is constantly telling you that you are worthless, lazy or
disgusting? Because I'm not hearing it, and I know at one time I was bigger
than you.
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richard
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response 118 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:41 UTC 2006 |
re #116 it is not always simple to lose weight, because everyone's metabolisms
work at different rates.
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edina
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response 119 of 378:
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Mar 7 18:42 UTC 2006 |
Really Richard? Really? do you think?
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scholar
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response 120 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:09 UTC 2006 |
All I'm saying is that there were strong evolutionary advantages to people
eating as much food as possible, and that this was good when food would
sometimes be scarce but is a disadvantage now when we're producing food much
faster than we can eat it.
One thing that I think might happen: Since people who are obese have less
healthy babies and fewer sexual partners (probably), will less voracious genes
become more plentiful? I'm not sure how to go about analyzing that
scientifically, but it seems sort of plausible to me!
To sum up: take up nicotine or cocaine for a few months to lose weight.
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edina
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response 121 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:12 UTC 2006 |
I need some cites on your info of less healthy babies - and fewer sexual
partners.
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scholar
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response 122 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:17 UTC 2006 |
Fuck.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/guidelines/obesity/e_txtbk/ratnl/22111.htm for the
foetus thing.
The fewer sexual partners thing is just a guess, though I might be able to
find a study or whatever if I dick around a bit!
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edina
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response 123 of 378:
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Mar 7 19:24 UTC 2006 |
No pun intended.
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bru
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response 124 of 378:
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Mar 7 20:14 UTC 2006 |
it used to be that men of larger size had more sexual partners since size
indicated wealth.
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richard
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response 125 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:03 UTC 2006 |
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cyklone
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response 126 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:04 UTC 2006 |
Lynne, you're slipping into emotion and further from logic. Your reference
to men and women having different costs is one example, since by your
previously stated rationale of states v. behavior you are comparing apples
and orange. Gender is a state. No one disputes that. You assert obesity is
also a state. Many dispute that. To mix the fruit metaphor further, now
you're just cherry-picking. FWIW, I have friends and acquaintences who are
fat or maybe even obese. What I posted on m-net applies here: I don't mind
fat people at all, as long as they can pull their weight. But they don't
get a free pass anymore than my alcoholic friends. I think you have failed
to make your case that obesity is state and not a result of behavior.
Certainly it is for some, and perhaps even you. But you haven't made a
convincing case that is true for even a bare majority of overweight or
obese people. And BTW, I don't oppose the anti-discrimination laws you
mentioned. My "carb tax" would apply to people of all weights.
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richard
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response 127 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:06 UTC 2006 |
scholar said:
"take up nicotine or cocaine for a few months to lose weight."
Actually studies have shown that many women take up smoking because they
believe it to aid in weight loss. Others will do cocaine or other hard
drugs for the same reason.
There are no studies that I've seen that actually say smoking cigarettes
causes weight loss.
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nharmon
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response 128 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:08 UTC 2006 |
I've never seen a fat crack addict.
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richard
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response 129 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:10 UTC 2006 |
re #127 however I guess if you are smoking cigs you aren't eating twinkies
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scholar
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response 130 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:21 UTC 2006 |
nicotine doesn't make you lose weight, but it alleviates hunger.
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richard
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response 131 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:22 UTC 2006 |
the current crystal meth epidemic is more of a problem among women than men,
because women are taking it as a way of suppressing appetite and increasing
metabolism. Taking it as a diet aide essentially.
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edina
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response 132 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:40 UTC 2006 |
I'm sorry - based on what?
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richard
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response 133 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:47 UTC 2006 |
edina when you had this surgery, did you worry that a smaller stomach and an
impaired ability to take in nutrients in the amounts you used to, might impact
the advisability of your one day having kids? I mean I guess gastric bypass
patients can still have kids, but doesnt it make it more difficult to feed
for two during pregnancy?
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