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eeyore
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response 103 of 335:
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Oct 25 03:53 UTC 2001 |
You know, if you guys are going to scream about wanting to make changes, then
you should be in a position to have the power to make those changes. To have
the power you need to be a member of Grex, since quite frankly the BoD doesn't
do crap with policy. So either become a member, and then *vote*, or just shut
the hell up.
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janc
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response 104 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:05 UTC 2001 |
I'm not sure what a "pre-candidate" is. Pthomas isn't a candidate until he
announces his candidacy in the coop nominations item.
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pthomas
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response 105 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:06 UTC 2001 |
It's like how Lyndon LaRouche is a Democratic presidental
"pre-candidate."
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jp2
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response 106 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:18 UTC 2001 |
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krj
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response 107 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:30 UTC 2001 |
Yeah, have you been paying any attention at all? jp2 has spoken,
truth has been revealed!
It is our task to embrace the truth, not to challenge it!
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aruba
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response 108 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:34 UTC 2001 |
I agree strongly with Ken that the vote on the censored log was not a
foregone conclusion. I expected it to go the other way, and was quite
stunned at the result.
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richard
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response 109 of 335:
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Oct 25 04:38 UTC 2001 |
Be forewarned that JP2 considers each and every word he types to be his
personal "artistic" property, and any reproduction, re-transmission or
other use thereof without his permission and he will sue. This means
that if this item gets reproduced in another item in this conf, without
his permission, he will sue. This item has JP2's postings in it. If it
gets linked anywhere, on or off site, without his permission, he will
sue. If someone takes tonight's party logs, full of jp2's chat
transcripts, and posts them over on mnet in an item, he will not only
sue, but he will use root to hide them or request their deletion.
JP2, if you want to serve on Grex's board, you should agree to
indemnify grex and the users of grex and anyone who reads or posts on
grex. You should agree to hold harmless anyone who chooses to
reproduce or re-transmit any items or party logs or other
communications on grex that contain all or in part your words that were
posted in any grex forum, all of which are by definition public. Grex
is a commune. These conferences and party are essentially the
intellectual property of the grex collective. Grex allows anonymous
user access from the internet You post on here, and a month from now,
someone might type "JP2" or your name in Google and see this item or
any other item come up as a search result. And this person wont have
to get a user ID to read it, copy it or re-transmit it. The postings
here are accessible without there being a trace of who accesses it.
The minute you post here, you have no control or idea who may read it.
In fact the entire internet may read it, millions of people.
It is very important that you indemnify as a means of showing your
willingness to be part of the collective and to show your faith in the
collective. No one is going to want to deal with you, talk with you in
party, correspond with you, or anything else if you so zealously guard
your "intellectual rights" that they have to fear being sued. You post
here and you agree to share your intellectual rights to the material
posted herein. It is not possible to strictly enforce copyright law in
this environment. Any strict interpretation and Grex would have to
shut down. So you either accept grex for what it is or you shouldnt
run. And accepting means indemnifying.
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styles
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response 110 of 335:
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Oct 25 05:53 UTC 2001 |
i'd like to thank ken for including me in the ever declining state of
Arbornet, Inc., as an active participant in its demise. Ken, thanks, its
clear that participation on Arbornet's board of directors is the true reason
for financial decline in an already financiallly declining public access
bulletin board system, as that is the true core of, well, financial decline.
Serving as a member of the board is, while not time consuming, not something
everyone is willing to make time for, and as a person who has dedicated his
time to making the system function better (m-net) and making the corporation
run smoothly, even in times where members of the board disagree with
themselves, solely for the sake of making life better for the users, even
without statistics of revenue increase to back my validity as a volunteer for
something i believe in, to someone who so kindly offers financial reports with
intent to aggravate, I'd like to offer a hefty "fuck you" for all of your
thoughtful contributions to the well being of public systems, namely
m-net.arbornet.org. love you, -Anthony.
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krj
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response 111 of 335:
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Oct 25 06:14 UTC 2001 |
Styles must be referring to my resp:78, the catalog of M-net downward
trends, where I wrote:
> Number of active BBS participants who have
> started in the last 3 years or so, since
> jp2, styles and pthomas: a small integer
> approaching zero
I'm sorry, I did not mean to imply that pthomas, jp2 and styles were the
CAUSE of new people not coming to M-net conferencing.
They are rather the markers; as far as I can tell, they are the last
M-net BBS participants to arrive and stay active.
I am making this argument to challenge Jamie's campaign claim that he
has "demonstrated considerable ability" as an Arbornet board member
and "PR geek." If he'd demonstrated ability, one would expect to see
an upturn in new BBS users. But the effect from his publicity work
was transitory.
My apologies for the misunderstanding. I have no quarrel whatever
with anything styles has done on Arbornet, either as a
board member or conference participant.
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styles
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response 112 of 335:
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Oct 25 06:33 UTC 2001 |
thanks for the apology.
i see where you are going, but i do have to say that jamie has indeed brought
users to m-net, be they bbs users or not, via slashdot/rootprompt/wired
articles. this far more than other board members have done to increase the
user base on m-net, regardles of whether or not it has generated revenue or
an increase in the bbs user base.
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krj
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response 113 of 335:
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Oct 25 06:43 UTC 2001 |
I will agree that Jamie did good work in getting the articles about
M-net into the Unix online press, and that these articles did bring
new users to the system, some of whom even contributed money.
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styles
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response 114 of 335:
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Oct 25 07:15 UTC 2001 |
...and i would like to extend that no one on the board currently, (nor recently
(in the past two or three years) has brought that many new users to m-net.
keep in mind, please, that this is not a pro- nor anti-jamie response, i am
simply stating that which is. He writes lots of articles, and includes m-net,
and puches a transient flood of new users to the system. Most of these users
leave, never to return again, but some do indeed stay.
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spooked
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response 115 of 335:
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Oct 25 11:30 UTC 2001 |
I'm sorry this issue about non-local board members is so contentious, and
misunderstood.
I raised it because I'm in Australia, and it's pretty hard for me to get
to MI for monthly board meetings.
However, it is *free* (i.e. $0.00) to conference via netmeeting - no
conference calls needed.
Anyhow, it's no biggie.
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scott
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response 116 of 335:
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Oct 25 12:18 UTC 2001 |
I'll be voting against jp2, I think.
However, I've been extremely entertained by the pthomas/twinkie press
releases. :)
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md
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response 117 of 335:
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Oct 25 12:29 UTC 2001 |
[You read it here first: Jamie, who nominated himself as a lame joke on
Grex, will get all defensive and genuinely pissed off if the voting
goes against him. He has that type of personality, if you know what I
mean. It will be the funniest part of the joke, and I hope I'm not
spoiling it by giving it away like this.]
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jp2
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response 118 of 335:
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Oct 25 13:41 UTC 2001 |
This response has been erased.
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jp2
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response 119 of 335:
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Oct 25 13:53 UTC 2001 |
This response has been erased.
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md
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response 120 of 335:
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Oct 25 14:14 UTC 2001 |
What about copying and retaining for evidentiary purposes only?
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tfbjr
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response 121 of 335:
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Oct 25 14:47 UTC 2001 |
I admit, it took a few posts and responses for me to realize Jamie was
only trolling. His own press releases made it fairly clear.
What didn't mesh is that a good troller would take the minor insults I
threw at him and would have had more fun with them. So that ruled him
out as a good troller.
The DMCA comments again revealed him as a troll.
Other comments revealed a possible hint of desire to be elected.
So now I'm confused. Jamie, are you serious about winning? Is it a
joke?
Apparently both. What a disappointing combination it has to be in the
long run. Perhaps you will consider it complimentary, but it reminds
me somewhat of Andy Kaufman with the whole wrestling thing he got
into. It was more humorous to him than anyone else.
I'm not simply slamming you (no wrestling pun intended), I'm honestly
baffled trying to read your intentions.
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gull
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response 122 of 335:
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Oct 25 15:25 UTC 2001 |
Re #34: That's just silly. Saying that photocopying a driver's license
for ID purposes is illegal because copying a license for the purpose of
deceiving someone is illegal is like saying that calling someone on the
telephone is illegal because the telephone can be used to make illegal
obscene phone calls.
Re #109:
I think, as a political candidate, jp2's words are considered public
record and you can quote him all you want.
Re #115:
Some people might object to requiring all board members to run a
Windows-only piece of software. ;>
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janc
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response 123 of 335:
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Oct 25 15:58 UTC 2001 |
Re netmeeting: Actually most of the protocols spoken by Microsoft
Netmeeting are industry standard teleconferencing protocols. There
are open source versions that will interoperate with netmeeting, though
they are not well developed. See for example
http://www.freesoft.org/software/NetMeeting/
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pthomas
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response 124 of 335:
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Oct 25 16:15 UTC 2001 |
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Phil Thomas pthomas@arbornet.org
25 October 2001
THOMAS SCRIBBLES ITEM
Cyberspace Communications Board of Directors pre-candidate Phil Thomas
today scribbled a response in the M-Net "general conference," noting his
ability on that system to control his intellectual property.
"In the interests of straight talk, the response I scribbled wasn't really
anything too worthy, but it could have been." said Thomas. "I'm glad that
on M-Net I have the right to do this, whereas on Grex they believe that
the instant you write something it belongs to the 'commune,' despite the
fact that this notion violates every legal precedent known to man, and
every ethical and moral precedent founded in reason."
When asked again about the charges released by TwinkieTime Communications,
he declared that "I will not dignify these allegations with a further
response."
Thomas ended his statement condemning what he called the "deplorable state
of affairs" on Grex, saying "They are in the clutches of the collectivist
lie. I intend to give them a dose of reality."
ABOUT PHIL THOMAS: Phil Thomas recently declared his pre-candidacy for the
Cyberspace Communications Board of Directors.
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keesan
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response 125 of 335:
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Oct 25 16:40 UTC 2001 |
Question to the candidates: Could Jamie and Phil please state in 100 words
or less how it would benefit grex if they were elected to the board?
Comment: I wish to point out that M-Net is continuing to exist despite the
odds and this is probably due to a great deal of devoted work on the part of
M-Net staff, who are doing a great job on hardware and software there.
Are Jamie or Phil in part responsible for the technical aspects of M-Net, and
might one or both of them be more interested in serving as Grex staff rather
than board members? (Sorry, I am not up on the details of who is doing what
at M-Net, even though I have a paid membership there because I like using
their faster hardware for browsing.)
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jp2
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response 126 of 335:
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Oct 25 17:36 UTC 2001 |
This response has been erased.
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md
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response 127 of 335:
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Oct 25 17:52 UTC 2001 |
If you lose, it won't be because Grexers have "hatred for all things M-
Net." It is embarrassingly obvious that many "mnetters" have hatred
for all things Grex, and have so for may years, but you will search
Grex in vain for anything of that magnitude. What you will find is
that mnet and "mnetters" are mostly ignored on Grex. (I, of course,
have fun tormenting "mnetters" now and then, but I'm not really a
Grexer so I don't count.) No, if you lose, it will be because of you,
period. Now go eat a sack of shitdicks.
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