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jep
response 102 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 20:56 UTC 2001

re #96: I appreciate the suggestion, but:

1) I'm not a member of Grex because I don't like Grex's level of 
support for the ACLU

2) My life is not at the level of stability which I'd want before I'd 
consider running

3) My style of management isn't at all what Grex is used to

4) I have some history which would make me an unpalatable choice for 
many Grexers, including bad management for Arbornet and shocking many 
Grexers by being the visible point of contact for Arbornet pulling out 
of a joint grant project

I do like Grex a lot, and wish it all the best.  I think there are many 
better choices than me for the board.

I think you are one of them, by the way, especially given your passion 
for investment options for Grex, and your ability to take on projects 
and commit time to them.  I'm not just returning a compliment.  I 
really would be very happy to see you serve on the Board.
keesan
response 103 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 20:58 UTC 2001

Thanks for returning the compliment with a compliment but I don't think I am
diplomatic enough to serve on the board.  Mark asked me to run once and I
refused.  Any other volunteers?   I would be happy to do any research which
would save the board time.  I also don't know enough about computers.
aruba
response 104 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 9 16:18 UTC 2001

I nominate Greg Fleming.
mary
response 105 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 9 23:55 UTC 2001

Yes.  Please say yes.  

Greg has a very nice way of getting to the meat of an
issue and distilling it down to a common sense solution.

flem
response 106 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 12 22:26 UTC 2001

Yeah, sure, I'll accept.  
styles
response 107 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 00:03 UTC 2001

#102:  what's grex's level of support for the ACLU, and why is support for
the ACLU bad?
jp2
response 108 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 00:44 UTC 2001

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remmers
response 109 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 03:27 UTC 2001

(Both Grex and Arbornet were parties to a suit filed by the ACLU
against Michigan's internet censorship act.  The law was struck
down by the courts -- the correct outcome, in my opinion.  I
think that our working with the ACLU on this was entirely
appropriate.)

(But this is drift in the board nominations item.)
janc
response 110 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 04:15 UTC 2001

As far as I can tell, it would be as accurate to say that the ACLU supported
Grex and Arbornet as to say that Grex and Arbornet supported the ACLU.  All
three organizations wanted that law struck down.  None of them were involved
solely out of love and affection for the others.  The ACLU contributed vastly
more time and resources to the job than anyone else.  I think they probably
did us a much bigger favor than we did from them.  But I suppose that if you
equate the ACLU with satan, taking favors from them isn't very appealing
either.
gull
response 111 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 14:52 UTC 2001

Yeah, how dare they defeat a law that would have shut us down!  Evil 
bastards.
richard
response 112 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 16:59 UTC 2001

Isnt dpc, an mnet board member, also an aclu lawyer?  I guess jp2
approves of "aclu commies" as long as they are mnet and not grex?
remmers
response 113 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 17:13 UTC 2001

Dave Cahill is an attorney but not with the ACLU.
pthomas
response 114 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 18:11 UTC 2001

As I recall Jamie is a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
jep
response 115 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 13 21:01 UTC 2001

I apologize for causing the drift.  I only meant to explain that there 
are several reasons why I wouldn't be a good Board member for Grex.

If I ever do run, I'm sure I'll have to explain my reasons for opposing 
certain Grex policies -- in fact, changing policies would be the only 
reason I could see myself running.  Grexers don't want the kind of 
changes I want, so it would not make much sense for me to run at this 
time.
remmers
response 116 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:00 UTC 2001

Reminder:  Tomorrow, Thursday November 15, is the last day to place
new names in nomination.  Nominees have until the start of balloting
on December 1 to accept and to meet the membership requirement.
janc
response 117 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:08 UTC 2001

I think the current list is:

ACCEPTED
jp2 
bhelliom
mary
mdw
orinoco
kaplin
flem

NOMINATED
other
cmcgee
krj
danr

DECLINED
eeyore
janc
davel
scott
arabella
jep

Seven candidates for four positions is pretty good.  Today is the last day
for nominations, I think, but people who have been nominated can still ponder
over whether or not to accept for a while longer.
janc
response 118 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:09 UTC 2001

Oops, "kaplan" not "kaplin".
other
response 119 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:15 UTC 2001

I have decided that I like my knees relatively intact.
janc
response 120 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:23 UTC 2001

I'm guessing that that is a acceptance, but I believe the election czar likes
his acceptances to be explicit.
other
response 121 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 22:35 UTC 2001

I have decided to accept nomination for another term as a Director of 
Cyberspace Communications, Incorporated.

remmers
response 122 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 02:01 UTC 2001

<remmers applauds other's explicitness>

Nominations run through the 15th, so folks still have a day to place
new names in nomination.
janc
response 123 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 03:37 UTC 2001

In that case, I'd like to nominate dpc, gelinas, i, rcurl, russ, and tpryan.
gelinas
response 124 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 04:28 UTC 2001

uhh....  watching the school board keeps me plenty busy, especially on
Wednesdays.  Sailing Club treasury burns off more time.  Nonetheless, I'm
flattered.  Since I won't mind losing, I accept the nomination. :)
krj
response 125 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 05:27 UTC 2001

I am leaning against accepting my nomination, but I shall relish 
the opportunity to dither for two more weeks.
mary
response 126 of 332: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 12:35 UTC 2001

mary thanks other.
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