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Grex > Agora56 > #31: It is time to get the hell OUT of Iraq! | |
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rcurl
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response 102 of 133:
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Feb 26 19:38 UTC 2006 |
Bru is forgetting that the Iraqi clerics have now taken over control of
the Iraqi masses, and our "carefully cultivated" politicians have been
largely sidelined - in part on the basis of having been foisted upon the
Iraqis by America. With the clerics in control, few Iraqis will fight on
our side. They'll just use the arms and training we've given them against
us.
And how would we escalate our troop committment to a half million on the
day this coup occurs? Maybe atom-bomb Teheran first? Then what would
happen?
It would not be an "Iranian Invasion". It would be Iran coming to the aid
of their Iraqi compatriots to restore order under the Iraqi clerics.
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richard
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response 103 of 133:
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Feb 26 21:30 UTC 2006 |
re #98, Cross also doesn't recognize the fact that we have military
shortages. We have already called up most all of our reserve units
for tours, and reverse activated veteran military and paid off current
soldiers to take second or third tours. There is this illusion that
we have an inexhaustible supply of soldiers, and we do not.
Which is one reason why won't invade North Korea, even if they have
ten times the WMD's as Iran and make much clear their intentions,
because we can't wage wars in Iraq/Iran and North Korea at the same
time. We don't have enough soldiers.
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rcurl
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response 104 of 133:
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Feb 26 21:33 UTC 2006 |
I should add that my invented scenario of "Iran coming to the aid
of their Iraqi compatriots to restore order under the Iraqi clerics" is just
what I can imagine. The cleric governing Iran would could be much more
inventive.
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mcnally
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response 105 of 133:
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Feb 26 22:28 UTC 2006 |
re #103: Yeah, cross, you know *nothing* about the military.
Listen to Richard.
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bru
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response 106 of 133:
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Feb 26 22:35 UTC 2006 |
There is more to north Korea than just there weapons. South Korea is very
much not in favor of war with their relatives to the north.
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mcnally
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response 107 of 133:
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Feb 26 23:07 UTC 2006 |
..and for a number of very good reasons, including:
1) many people in South Korea well remember the devastation caused
by the last war.
2) many (most?) families in South Korea have relatives in North Korea.
3) North Korea has huge artillery arrays within range of Seoul that are
believed to be capable of pretty much levelling the capital and killing
millions.
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scholar
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response 108 of 133:
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Feb 26 23:26 UTC 2006 |
:(
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sholmes
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response 109 of 133:
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Feb 27 02:32 UTC 2006 |
>>>> Which is one reason why won't invade North Korea, even if they have ten
times the WMD's as Iran ...
or NK would not be attacked cos NK actually has WMD and I doubt they would
have any scruples about using them if attacked.
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naftee
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response 110 of 133:
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Feb 27 02:32 UTC 2006 |
:(
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gull
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response 111 of 133:
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Feb 27 06:34 UTC 2006 |
Bru's right, an Iranian invasion would draw a major response from the
U.S. Besides, it's unnecessary. If through some miracle a functioning
government is installed in Iraq, it will either be an Iranian ally or a
puppet of Iran within a decade. If no functioning government is
installed, Iran will cement their influence by giving arms to whichever
side they prefer in the Iraqi Civil War.
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rcurl
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response 112 of 133:
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Feb 27 16:30 UTC 2006 |
I stopped calling it an Iranian invasion, because the Shia dominated Iraq
government could *invite* Iran in to *restore order*. Why would the US
respond negatively to the democratically elected Iraq government asking for
assistance from Iran? We aren't having much success in restoring order, and
all our troops could come home.
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richard
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response 113 of 133:
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Feb 28 00:53 UTC 2006 |
re #105 mcnally cut the sarcasm, we don't have enough soldiers and you
know it. There's these myths that are out there, that we can't lose
any wars or ever run out of soldiers. Vietnam should have dispelled
the first myth, and the second myth should have been dispelled by the
end of the draft. We have lost wars and we CAN run out of soldiers.
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mcnally
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response 114 of 133:
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Feb 28 01:23 UTC 2006 |
And now we have a new myth -- the one about the people who believe
that we can't win a war or run out of soldiers..
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nharmon
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response 115 of 133:
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Feb 28 03:37 UTC 2006 |
Its a recursive myth!!!
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cross
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response 116 of 133:
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Feb 28 06:13 UTC 2006 |
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tod
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response 117 of 133:
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Feb 28 17:58 UTC 2006 |
China is our biggest threat by far. The fact we're mired in Iraqi
infrastructure has been nothing but a porkbarrel process for defense
contracts and defense spending. (Notice I didn't say defense build-up because
the National Guard seems to have been chopshopped everytime they return to
the USA i.e. sent back without their tanks and Hummers, etc)
Yesterday was supposed to be a meetup of governors with GW but I suspect the
news won't really cover the fact that GW is still cutting National Guard
budgets even though they've lost a ton of equipment in Iraq.
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rcurl
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response 118 of 133:
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Feb 28 19:57 UTC 2006 |
Re #116: WHAT? And go against the democratic choice of the Iraqi electorate?
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cross
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response 119 of 133:
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Feb 28 21:27 UTC 2006 |
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twenex
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response 120 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:02 UTC 2006 |
Nobody said that we would approve of people who want to ensure the destruction
of Israel.
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tod
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response 121 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:04 UTC 2006 |
Then why are we in bed with the Saudis?
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nharmon
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response 122 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:05 UTC 2006 |
And Todd comes out with the trump card ;)
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twenex
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response 123 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:12 UTC 2006 |
Re: #121. Politics.
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cross
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response 124 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:21 UTC 2006 |
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twenex
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response 125 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:24 UTC 2006 |
we preach one thing and practice another.
This isn't news.
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rcurl
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response 126 of 133:
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Feb 28 22:47 UTC 2006 |
That doesn't make it right.
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