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mcnally
response 101 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 14:58 UTC 2001

  I'm not sure I want my music to be recorded on media "the size of a quarter"
  if the record companies are going to pesist in charging nearly twenty
  dollars for new recordings.
anderyn
response 102 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 16:01 UTC 2001

Gee. You know, that DataPlay device sounds an awful lot like a minidisc
player. Hmmmmm. (Twila goes back to contemplating her minidiscs.)
gull
response 103 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 16:29 UTC 2001

Considering that these players cost four times what a low-end CD player does
now, and that the discs aren't likely to sound any better than CDs (maybe
even worse, since they're compressed), this is going to be a hard sell.
hematite
response 104 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 16:41 UTC 2001

I'd be afraid I would lose them too easily being the size of a quarter. 
It would be handier to carry around and seemingly light.. Feh I have 
enough trouble keeping track of my minidiscs. :)
lowclass
response 105 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 21:37 UTC 2001

        The size of a quarter? How about the durability of a quarter? you stick
CD recording technology in you're pocket, and you destroy it.
krj
response 106 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 21:59 UTC 2001

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2001/6cd.html
 
"6 CDs a Year, or, Consumers and record labels are at war."
 
Nothing too original here, but it's a nice essay.  It does point out 
that in the conventional economics models, the progress of technology
is supposed to lower prices so that consumers can get more bang 
for their bucks, but the record industry is using its oligopoly power
as best they can to prevent this from happening.
anderyn
response 107 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 16:36 UTC 2001

I was thinking about this yesterday after I talked to Drew at work -- he went
to Borders to buy the "O Brother Where art Thou?" and "Songcatcher"
soundtracks. And he said that the clerks were so unhelpful and so unclued that
he gave up and went to Best Buy. (Which is a comment on the staffing at teh
downtown Borders going downhill... in and of itself). But then I was thinking
that a major reason for people not buying records is the problem of where to
get them -- I know that a lot of people do buy on line, but most of the people
I know don't as a rule. Music for a lot of people is something they still want
to look at, ponder, all that -- and without some record stores that cater to
that need, a lot of people will stop buying. And of course the cost factor
doesn't help. Just some random musings.
orinoco
response 108 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 17:00 UTC 2001

That was certainly true when I was in Chicago.  There were two decent record
stores in Hyde Park, but neither of them were very well staffed, and I
wasn't familiar enough with them to just blunder around the place on my own,
the way I do in Encore or Wazoo.  I ended up buying two CDs the whole time
I was in Chicago, both of which I was ordered by friends to go out and buy
This Instant. 
krj
response 109 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 14 22:58 UTC 2001

http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,28532,00.html
 
An anonymous source says that the Department of Justice antitrust probe
of the major labels and their online music ventures, which was revealed
this week, has been ongoing for months.
 
  'The source said that the probe was
   initiated out of the DOJ's antitrust
   division in response to "disillusionment
   with the business practices of the record
   companies" from "multiple parties at every level of the music
   value chain," including recording artists, record stores, and
   online music services.'

My my my.  
krj
response 110 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 16 19:16 UTC 2001

http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/2001-08-15-korea-napster.htm

Two South Korean brothers, both educated at American universities, are 
facing criminal prosecution for copyright violations.  They wrote a 
Korean-language Gnutella-style file sharing program called 
"Soribada," which translates as "Sea of Sound;" they felt Korea
deserved its own file-sharing system.   Potential penalties include
up to five years in prison and fines of $38,500.
 
Soribada does not user a Napster-style central service; it is clear
they are being prosecuted as the authors of the program, not for 
operating it.
tpryan
response 111 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 16:05 UTC 2001

        I'm not into the tech, but with the lasers to read disks now
at a higher frequency, they can find the 1's and 0's closer together;
putting the same digital information is a smaller space.
        Also, wasn't the standard for the CD set up to be 4 discreet
audio channells, room for text and/or graphics, etc?  A new standard
could ignore those things the public rarely sees.
        Then again, DAT (digital audio tape) was tried as a new
pre-recorded format.  It failed.  The Mini-Disc (MD) was tried as
a pre-recorded format.  It, too failed to find a consumer market.
krj
response 112 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 19 16:29 UTC 2001

Only peripherally related to main topics here:
 
http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,539104,00.html

"How Radiohead took America by stealth," by the UK paper The Guardian.
 
Radiohead's recent success, according to this article, relied 
on internet fan communication.  The record company mostly stayed out 
of the way.

> Most controversially, Radiohead and
> Capitol encouraged fans to copy and
> circulate free bootlegs of Kid A (((the next-to-last CD))) in its
> entirety across their own sites three
> weeks in advance of the album's official
> release, upon which it went straight to
> number one with no radio airplay, no video
> and no hit single. 

The article does raise the question: so what does Radiohead need 
Capitol Records for?  Why doesn't the band take over its own 
relationships with the fans?
krj
response 113 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 16:35 UTC 2001

The New York Times has a collection of pieces today.  Besides the music
stories referenced below there are a few more on the impact of digital
technology on other arts.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/20/technology/20ROSE.html
   is a puff piece on Hilary Rosen, the head of the Recording Industry
   Association of America.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/20/arts/20ARTS.html
   "Why Just Listen to Pop When You Can Mix Your Own?"
   Discusses the rise of web sites where fans share their amateur
   remixes of work by their favorite artists, with a focus on Bjork.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/20/arts/music/20CEED.html
   Popular music critic Neil Strauss writes about two weeks spent 
   listening only to music found on the net: one week before the 
   crushing of Napster file sharing, and one week recently.
   This article will mostly be of interest to geezers and trailing-edge
   folks like me.
 
   Quote:
> As a critic whose job is based on listening to
> new music, I have never been exposed to more high-quality artists in a
> shorter amount of time. Any musicians complaining about song-sharing
> services like Napster, any record executives trying to work out an Internet
> business model, and any fans who wants a glimpse of the way music
> consumption and distribution will change in the future should put aside 
> their stereos and try this experiment ((( internet-only listening))) 
> first. 

   and:

> In general, it seemed to be a rule that the
> more passwords you needed, the more
> personal information you had to submit, the
> more corporate logos you saw and the more
> special software you needed to download,
> the worse the site was. 

   ... and www.live365.com was singled out for special scorn.

In the post-Napster world of Summer 2001, Strauss seems to have found 
happiness with a mix of Aimster, IRC chat channels, and KaZaa.
gull
response 114 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 17:31 UTC 2001

Re #111: A CD has room for 74 minutes of uncompressed stereo audio.  If you
use any of the other features, the amount of audio you can put on is reduced
accordingly.  So you're not really savig anything by eliminating those
features from the spec.  74 minutes actually turns out to be a bit short for
some classical music.

Minidiscs hold considerably less data than CDs, but they get around that by
using a lossy psychoacoustic compression algorithm to compress the data on
the disc.  It works similarly to MP3 but it's a proprietary compression.  In
theory the loss of data in the compression is unnoticable to the human ear.
dbratman
response 115 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 21 20:43 UTC 2001

But you don't want to reduce the data quality level on classical 
music.  Please!
krj
response 116 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 17:07 UTC 2001

Genuine Napster news!  :)
 
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6946163.html?tag=lh
 
In a conference at Aspen, new Napster CEO Konrad Hilbers promised 
that the new subscription based Napster service would open by the 
end of the 2001.
 
Quote:
 
   ((Hilbers)) said Napster could still be a place where 
    people swap music free of charge, so long as it
    isn't copyrighted. 

    "I'm very much a believer in what
    Napster stands for, which is the
    sharing of music among friends
    and private consumers when it
    comes to making available things
    like my children's Christmas carol
    singing or a garage band," Hilbers
    said. 

In which Hilbers demonstrates an awesome ignorance of intellectual
property law (everything is copyrighted now) and the market demand
for children singing carols.  I'm sure BMG invested $50 million 
in Napster because of the huge audience demand for other people's
children singing Chrismas carols.

-------

Songwriters represented by a copyright enforcement organization called
Copyright.net have launced a new lawsuit against Mp3.com.  They argue
that Mp3.com was the original source for many Mp3 files traded on Napster, 
and thus Mp3.com should be assessed damages for downloads from Napster
and related services.  
 
http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/depth/mp3082101.htm

quote:

>The argument goes like this: MP3.com made compressed copies of about
>900,000 songs, which it placed on its computer servers -- without obtaining
>the rights to do so. That created a vast bootleg library, from which MP3.com
>subscribers could download songs. Once on the user's computer hard-drive,
>a single song could be copied and passed around infinitely in the music
>underground.

This seems totally bogus to me: I never heard of anyone using Mp3.com 
as a ripping service to get tracks for further distribution, it seems 
like it would have been much harder than ripping the tracks yourself.
I think we are now suing for theoretical copyright infringement.
I suspect this suit has only happened because Mp3.com was bought by 
Universal Music Group, and the songwriters think they can now tap 
Universal's very deep pockets.
krj
response 117 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 17:50 UTC 2001

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/telco/story/0,2000020799,20256077,00.htm
 
Australian Excite@Home users are upset over the cable ISP's new policy
of randomly monitoring its users and immediately terminating the 
service of anyone they think is infringing copyrights.
brighn
response 118 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 18:46 UTC 2001

Actually, I thought that technically, things that had been released into the
public domain weren't copyrighted. Also, things on which the copyright has
expired (and there are a few recorded pieces old enough to qualify, now) are
not copyrighted.

this post is (c)2001, but is hereby released into the public domain ;}
krj
response 119 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 22 18:53 UTC 2001

OK.  For ten points: Describe a practical system for determining if 
an arbitrary sound file is under copyright protection, or has been 
released into the public domain.  Remember that when the system 
fails to properly detect copyright protection, the consumer faces 
various unpleasantness ranging from loss of Internet access up 
through criminal prosecution.  :)
polygon
response 120 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 23 23:13 UTC 2001

Re 118.  For a recording to be in the public domain through age alone,
it would have had to be "published" before 1922.

Anything which was never "published", regardless how old, is still
under copyright.
brighn
response 121 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 03:17 UTC 2001

There were recordings published before 1922, weren't there? When did Edison
invent the phonograph?
remmers
response 122 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 06:04 UTC 2001

You bet there were recordings before 1922.  Edison patented the
phonograph in 1878.
mcnally
response 123 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 08:40 UTC 2001

  re #116:  what a crock..  I'd say that the suit stood no chance
  whatsoever, but all kinds of previous decisions suggest that just
  maybe, if they find the right judge on the right day, this could
  succeed. 

  I actually never thought that MP3.com should've been slapped for its
  MyMp3.com service (or whatever they called the service that would
  stream you MP3s of CDs that you proved you "owned" (or to which you
  had at least had temporary physical access ..)) which I guess shows
  how much my legal opinion is worth..
polygon
response 124 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 10:08 UTC 2001

Re 121-122.  I'm aware that recordings existed before 1922, but I am less
certain about what technology existed to mass-produce and "publish" them. 
Wax cylinders?  And how many of those still exist in playable condition
today?  I don't think the 78 rpm record was invented until later, was it? 

I guess there were player piano rolls, but they were not "recordings" so
much as encoded sheet music.

This is further evidence, if any were needed, how howlingly unreasonable
it is that published items dating back to the early 1920s are still under
copyright -- let alone non-published items dating back to the beginning of
time.
brighn
response 125 of 151: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 13:20 UTC 2001

I thought "published" meant there were at least three copies, or something
like that. Didn't Edison also develop a method for copying his cylinders, one
at a time?

I'll agree that polygon's interpretation of copyright law creates a highly
impractical situation, but it also doesn't match my recollection of copyright
law. Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention. =}
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