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mary
response 101 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 19:32 UTC 2003

Our son is 27 and has never had a car.  He's never wanted one.
He figured out from watching other people that cars require
a lot of care and feeding and he'd rather spend his (few)
dollars on other things.

I expect when he gets his doctorate and a real job that
this will change.  Maybe.  

But my point is not everyone even wants a car.  And
life is still good.  You can be an independent adult
without one.
tod
response 102 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 10 20:07 UTC 2003

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gelinas
response 103 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 00:20 UTC 2003

True, but !(college = dependent)
remmers
response 104 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 01:24 UTC 2003

And anyway, he's in graduate school - not college - and receives
the bulk of his financial support from his university.
polytarp
response 105 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 01:39 UTC 2003

REMMERS AND MARY HAVE A SON?  I THOUGHT MARY WAS AGAINST S*X
anderyn
response 106 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 15:01 UTC 2003

I have never driven a car, save in driver's ed. Never wanted my license, which
is a good thing, given how poorly I see. Rhiannon does not have a license
either. 
edina
response 107 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 16:07 UTC 2003

But could you if you had to?  I think that is what is important to me.  I
don't care if you have a car, want a car, what have you.  I think it's
important to know how to operate one if you need to.
anderyn
response 108 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 17:00 UTC 2003

Nope. I couldn't. And, again, that's safer for the whole world. :-) (I have
such bad eyes that I would not be able to do it without an accident, more than
likely.)
lynne
response 109 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 18:12 UTC 2003

Hmmm.  My parents passive-aggressively discouraged me pretty strongly from
all thins driving-related while living at home.  I finally have a car now
--bought it two years ago--and it made an incredibly large difference in my
general state of happiness.  The sense of independence is well worth the
cost of insurance and occasional repair--even though I *could* live without
it, technically speaking.
edina
response 110 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 19:10 UTC 2003

So could I.  But I too like the freedom.  And Twila, I'm sorry.  I'd hate to
be cut at the knees like that.
scott
response 111 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 11 20:37 UTC 2003

Spotted orinoco in Eastern Accents around lunchtime today, but somehow he
managed to buy his food and leave before I could say hello.
jaklumen
response 112 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 00:42 UTC 2003

resp:101 Maybe.  Some jobs want you to have a car-- or at least 
transportation they will believe to be dependable.
jmsaul
response 113 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 02:35 UTC 2003

Re #110:  I understand what you're saying, but I respect Twila a lot for
          realizing that her lack of peripheral vision would endanger
          herself and others if she drove.  In her case, from what she's
          said, it's the only responsible choice.
naftee
response 114 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 05:13 UTC 2003

I CAN{T BELIEVE I WAS THE ONE WHO ENTERED THIS ITEM LOL.
polytarp
response 115 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 06:24 UTC 2003

LOL
edina
response 116 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 16:29 UTC 2003

Re 113  I respect it too.  I'm just glad I have good eyes.
polytarp
response 117 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 12 22:01 UTC 2003

Lol.
scg
response 118 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 17:02 UTC 2003

I have a car, which I bought several years ago when commuting from Ann Arbor
to the Detroit suburbs.  In the last few months, I've had a destination that
was much easier to get to by car than by bike or public transit, so I've been
using it a lot, but I think that's about to change.  In the 2.5 years before
that, I used to go weeks at a time without driving it, pretty much only using
it for out of town trips.  I don't really like driving all that much, and most
of the time I'd much rather sit on a train and get where I'm going, rather
than spending more time sitting in a traffic jam, and then having to spend
a long time looking for a $20 per day parking space.

It is nice having the car so I can use it without having to plan in advance
when I want to.  If it were to die, it would probably be cheaper to rent a
car when I needed it, but I might be tempted to buy a new one anyway.

Those I know who live in neighborhoods where parking is difficult have mostly
gotten rid of the cars they had when they moved in, declaring finding parking
to have been more trouble than it was worth.
tod
response 119 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 17:40 UTC 2003

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gregb
response 120 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 19:35 UTC 2003

Like Twila, my eyeballs are rather shot.  In fact, I'm 
classified "Legally Blind" without my glasses.  Even with glasses, it's 
not good enough, so I can empathize with what she has to deal with.  
However, if you think AATA's bad, you haven't dealt with SMART (gawd, I 
hate that name!).  They suck BIG TIME!  I did some checking and AATA 
actually has a better setup for its size.

I found it amazing that there's actually people out there that /can/ 
drive, but choose not to.  But from what I've read, it's those that 
have other means of transport that scoff at driving.  They'd change 
their tunes reeeal quick if it was the only way they could get around.
rcurl
response 121 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 20:12 UTC 2003

I can understand some people living in San Francisco (where I am at the
moment) choosing not to drive: with both the BART rail and the MUNI
bus/trolley/interurban systems reaching almost everywhere in the city,
it is pretty easy to get around without a car (unless you live on the top of
some hills). It has made me wonder why Detroit can't have as good a system,
though I expect the answer is that Detroit is so economically depressed.
gregb
response 122 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 20:27 UTC 2003

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gregb
response 123 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 20:32 UTC 2003

From what I've heard it's because of the auto-makers.  After all, this 
is the auto capital of the nation.  It wouldn't look good to have all 
those pesky busses running around when you've got car dealers up the 
whaazoo.  It's mostly political, but partly economic, too.

Also, according to one of the bus drivers, SMART is one of the last of 
the large metropolitan bus systems that still depends a great deal on 
federal funds to keep things running...such as it is.
tod
response 124 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 20:41 UTC 2003

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gull
response 125 of 230: Mark Unseen   Aug 13 21:50 UTC 2003

I've heard that's been debunked.  There *were* many cities where the
automakers bought out and scrapped trolly lines so they could sell buses
instead, but they never tried to discourage buses in Detroit.
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