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Grex > Femme > #74: Help! I'm Melting.....! (long diatribe) |  |
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aruba
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response 100 of 200:
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Jan 12 08:19 UTC 1998 |
<g> Here's a fantasy of mine with which you may disagree violently: Suppose
we gathered up all the money that women spent on cosmetics in a year. Take
half of that and spend it on ice cream - wouldn't that give everyone more
pleasure than the makeup? Then take the other half and do something really
cool with it, like mount an expedition to Mars. Wouldn't that be great?
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clees
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response 101 of 200:
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Jan 12 09:49 UTC 1998 |
So much ice cream?
dressing up: I am what people call the casual guy. It is my character and it
shows. But it doesn't mean I look shabby or so, but I can if I want to.
Another thing is: I mainly wear black, sometimes with a bright colored accent.
So, that is, black jeans, black t-shirts, black socks, black shirts, a black
(or dark grey) suit etc. etc. etc. Makes me look like Johnny cash haha.
Next to that I almost never comb my hair because that's the purpose. When I
was young I had my hair like Sid Vicious of the sex Pistols (I wasa punk in
those days), nowadays it is thinning a little and my cut shifts towards the
Clint eastwood look. But still, I almost never a comb. Instead I use heaps
of gel to fix it in the direction i desire. But I don0t say my hair isn't
clean. Still, I think it even looks good while wearing a suit. Evenmore: when
wearing a suit, I still manage to walk around in soldier0s boots.
I am what people call different from the massess, or as Misty put it, the
intellectual aprt of society. I even used mascara in my twenties (mostly when
I had a gig with my band, or at parties), I wore three earrings (nowadays it0s
one).
As for women0s makup: that's another way of expressing who you are, where you
stand in life, what are generally your views.
A woman with heavy eyemak-up doesn't necessarily have to be tramp, it could
very well be a message for people that belong to a cerain subculture, just
as much as all these crusties these days have to have dreadlocks (and they
smell, but look good in my view).
In fact it doesn't really matter what a person looks like, but if i had to
choose, I rather choose the t-shirt/jeans woman or the strangely dressed one.
The reason is that too often corprately dressed people haven't got anything
interesting to say, but that's here in Holland.
In the end it is people that show off (also in clothing) I avoid. All others
are welcome.
A lot of words again and still I got the feeling I haven't made myself clear.
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orinoco
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response 102 of 200:
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Jan 13 03:52 UTC 1998 |
Hmm...makeup...
I guess I'm one of those anti-noticeable-makeup guys. I'm not opposed to
makup on general principle, but I do think that it's better when it's
inobtrusive.
Of course, I don't object as much to the Goth 'racoon makup' or whatnot, I
just think Bright Lipstick is a bit tacky.
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aruba
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response 103 of 200:
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Jan 14 07:29 UTC 1998 |
I was thinking about that fantasy I entered in #100, and it occured to me
that that is the kind of thing people more often say about military
spending - you know, "wouldn't it be great if schools had all the money
they needed and the air force had to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."
Well, naturally, makeup doesn't have the potential for mass destruction,
but otherwise the situation seems similar to me. Valerie said that the
reason she wears makeup is that she has found that people treat her
differently when she does. Well, why would that be? Because other women
wear it, that's why. In other words, she has to wear makeup in order to
keep up, not because it's an inherently pleasurable thing to do.
Such is the case with military spending. Ultimately, the argument for
buying weapons is, "If we don't do it, someone else will". Sure, there
are always a few people who really *like* having powerful weapons, just
for the sake of having them - but the majority would rather do without
them if we weren't afraid we'd be outdone by someone else.
So I think cosmetics are to women as guns are to men. What do you think?
:)
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aruba
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response 104 of 200:
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Jan 14 08:52 UTC 1998 |
BTW the similarity between the military and cosmetics situations also
explains why my fantasy is doomed to stay a fantasy, unless someone starts
a multilateral "cosmetics disarmament" movement. :) I believe the
political science term for the situation is "realpolitik" - that is, no
one can stop spending money on weapons, even though it would be beneficial
to all if they did, because no one can be trusted not to stab the others
in the back. So we can call my theory "cosmetics realpolitik". :)
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anderyn
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response 105 of 200:
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Jan 14 13:56 UTC 1998 |
I dunno. I never have worn makeup, although my great-aunt tried really hard
to make it a habit (when I stayed with her, you had to put on lipstick and
rouge just to go outside...). But I do own some that I bought in the last year
or so, and I even put it on once in a while, just when I feel like it. It's
not because of any outside forces that I'm aware of, since my natural mode
is to go without.
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orinoco
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response 106 of 200:
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Jan 14 23:57 UTC 1998 |
Well, aruba, there have been trends towards more or less makeup over time.
I agree that No Makeup At All is a pretty unlikely idea, but there have been
times when makeup was much less commonly used.
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abchan
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response 107 of 200:
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Jan 15 00:08 UTC 1998 |
The last time I wore make-up (not counting times my sister and I
experiment with it just to see what it looks like and then proceed to wash
it off before we take a step outside) was for my senior picture in high
school. I only wore make-up then because in my high school, the girls had
to wear white caps and gowns for the pictures and I would have turned out
very pale without the make-up. Not counting that, the other times I wore
make-up were Halloween, Halloween, and did I mention Halloween? ;)
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birdlady
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response 108 of 200:
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Jan 15 02:03 UTC 1998 |
I always wear a touch because it compliments my eyes, and without blush I have
a death pallor. (You have no idea how pale I am). I only wear a hint, so it
looks like my natural coloring. Lipstick (rosy shades and within my lip line)
is a must because my lips are as pale as my skin, and due to my anemia, look
grey sometimes. Would you rather have me look healthy with nice makeup or
like a corpse? ;-)
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beeswing
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response 109 of 200:
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Jan 16 06:05 UTC 1998 |
Sarah honey, I bet I'd win the pale contest. I cannot find foundation anywhere
light enough for me. I've had people gasp upon seeing how pale I am. You can
see my veins through my skin (nurses love me). If I wear shorts, people ask me
why I'm wearing white pantyhose, because my legs are so white.
(True story: Last year when I was sick with Mono, I was waiting in a doctor's
office to find out what the heck was wrong with me. When the doctor walked in,
before I had said a word, she stopped cold in her tracks and said "Ooooh, you
ARE pale!"... which also meant the nurse whom I'd talked to 2 minutes before
must have mentioned it also. My friends said they wanted to have me eat a
hamburger, I was so white.)
Anyway. As for the tucked-in-shirt issue, I often wear oversized shirts loose.
It depends on the shirt. I do feel a bit more comfy when my tummy and butt are
covered. Problem is, some oversized shirts end right at the widest point of my
hips, which isn't too flattering.
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valerie
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response 110 of 200:
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Jan 16 07:30 UTC 1998 |
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abchan
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response 111 of 200:
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Jan 16 16:16 UTC 1998 |
I only look pale in the summer and when standing next to my sister, who has
been regularly doing pool babysitting and ends up darker than the average
person who lives in Florida.
I never got into make-up. I have enough trouble getting my act together when
I crawl out of bed at six thirty in the morning to worry about putting on
makeup. I'm lucky if I remember to eat before I leave the apt.
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beeswing
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response 112 of 200:
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Jan 16 16:51 UTC 1998 |
I never do a full face every morning. It's just too exhausting. My mom is the
opposite. She could be trapped in a cave for weeks, but will have her makeup
handy and will do the whole deal... base, eye goop, rouge, everything. I
sometimes call her Tammy Faye. It's snowy and icy, and she is still going to
find a way to get to the beauty shop today. Every Friday like clockwork. It's
weird that I'm not the same way. It's pretty common among us GRITS (Girls
Raised In The South). :)
I love bath goop. I could sit in a big tub for hours with bubbles. The tub in
my apartment is not built for a tall sort like me. If I get a house, it's gotta
have a long, deep tub.
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iggy
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response 113 of 200:
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Jan 18 16:47 UTC 1998 |
i read a little colmn of 'factoids' in our newspaper
recently. it says women under thirty tend to use
too dark makeup around the eyes, and those over 40
tend to use too dark rouge/blusher.
i am very sensitive about what i smell like.
i dot like perfume, and i wear unscented deodorant.
but since i like to smell fresh and clean, i use nice
bathsoap in fresh scents.
i usually wear jeans and tshirts, or sweaters or sweatshirts with
a layer of flannel over the top like a jacket. i either wear
tennis shoes or lwather workboots.
**a word from the experienced: never EVER wear steel toe
workboots through airport security. it isnt worth it.**
in many computer companies here in the northwest, the uniform is
jeans in the winter, shorts in the summer. woe to the unwary
engineer who is caught in a suit! even on a job interview!
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birdlady
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response 114 of 200:
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Jan 19 07:44 UTC 1998 |
Maybe their makeup style reflects the period they were raised in? For
example, if light eyes and accented cheeks were popular in the 1940's, that
would explain why women over 50 might use heavier blush.
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beeswing
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response 115 of 200:
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Jan 21 04:41 UTC 1998 |
Ayep. My mom is 54. I think she's so looks oriented because she simply comes
from a time where looks, for women, were a #1 priority. The goal was to get a
man ASAP and settle down, then try to keep him. So you needed all the help you
could get.
On the radio some DJs read passages from a Home Ec book in the 1950s.
One section was devoted to greeting your husband when he came home from work.
Things like cleaning up the kids, doing your hair, wearing a smile, being
pleasant, massaging his feet (!), fixing him a drink, making sure dinner was
ready as soon as he walked in. Thank God I wasn't alive then, I'd be in some
psych ward now.
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clees
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response 116 of 200:
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Jan 21 07:47 UTC 1998 |
Shouldn't you girls get more in the sun, or are all of you inflicted with a
lack of pigment?
Or, and this is worse, are you all so hooked on computing and computer
conferencing that you rarely see the sun, grin. :)
Too dark around the eyes is a very culturally based term. In India the women
paint their eyes, so it will stick for weeks. Quite heavily applied as well,
but it suits their very dark eyes.
A hint of bright blue, as blondies like to do, is tacky.
The eye section doesn't bother me, most times, with or without make-up.
But too much rouge on the cheeks makes somebody look cheap, just as much like
eye-shadow.
Btw, a female colleague of mine said that almost no women at all have their
own haircolor.
Is that so?
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birdlady
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response 117 of 200:
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Jan 21 08:59 UTC 1998 |
I have my natural hair color, but I get accused of dying it in the summer
because it gets red highlights so quickly due to the sun.
I have a naturally pale complexion that barely darkens when exposed to a lot
of sun. I get a few freckles across my nose, but I blame the tone and
freckles on the Irish in me. I have German ancestry on the other half, but
I have no idea what their skin tone tends to be. <shrug> I'm also anemic,
so that explains the pale lips and gray cast. =) Told ya I'm a corpse
without a little light blush.
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iggy
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response 118 of 200:
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Jan 21 15:40 UTC 1998 |
once i started getting the occasional gray hair, and
once my mom described my hair as "mousy" i began dying it
various shades of red and auburn.
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abchan
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response 119 of 200:
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Jan 21 16:19 UTC 1998 |
I've attempted to highlight my hair just for kicks. Hasn't worked yet.
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abchan
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response 120 of 200:
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Jan 21 16:23 UTC 1998 |
Re: #115 beeswing, I actually received that in form of humor; i.e. the 1950's
textbook verson plus and "updated" version for the 1990's, which was very
amusing ;)
If anyone wants a copy, I'll try to find it.
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anderyn
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response 121 of 200:
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Jan 21 22:21 UTC 1998 |
Try henna. You can get quite a lot of highlighting with henna.
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orinoco
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response 122 of 200:
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Jan 22 05:49 UTC 1998 |
I though henna was used mostly for skin dying...
I've got red hair, but I've beeen accused of dying it before too, which is
odd, because guys don't tend to dye their hair other natural colors.
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birdlady
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response 123 of 200:
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Jan 22 09:09 UTC 1998 |
"Natural" being the key word. I've never seen another guy who dyed his hair
a color found in nature. ;-)
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anderyn
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response 124 of 200:
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Jan 22 15:25 UTC 1998 |
Nope. Women have used henna on hair for years. Has the advantage of making
it soft and glossy too. (You can make a paste of it to colour your hands/feet,
which I understand is an Egyptian/Arabic thing, but I've never tried that.)
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