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Grex > Coop8 > #77: >>> Grex needs to move <<< |  |
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tsty
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response 100 of 561:
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Jun 24 10:36 UTC 1996 |
as a friend pointed out ot me this afternoon (well, y-day), all the
utility closets in the city ...electrical, water, elevator, gas, broom,
would have to be condemned the same way -and with the same degree
of "understanding"- as grex's closet was condemned.
this does not aply to us, adn the guy who thunk it did needs to
be re-thunked a bit.
an appeal is necessary. grex'x closet is not a public place, it's
a UTILITY. Even the phone closets would have to be condemned .....
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jerryr
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response 101 of 561:
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Jun 24 12:26 UTC 1996 |
i agree that the city is being a bit up-tight in a cya mode, but the simple
fact is a normal size living room with furnishings, will be fully involved
with deadly gasses, smoke and fire in less than 3 minutes.
i wuld press the utility closets aspects of the argument.
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danr
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response 102 of 561:
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Jun 25 01:45 UTC 1996 |
I posted a plea to the internet council mailing list this morning. Perhaps
we'll get an offer, or at least a lead, from someone on the list.
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tsty
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response 103 of 561:
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Jun 25 04:39 UTC 1996 |
... and an appeal?
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dpc
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response 104 of 561:
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Jun 25 15:27 UTC 1996 |
Is it correct that Grex has the right to appeal to a "fully-attended"
Building Board of Appeals, as someone said on M-Net? What does this
mean? Has Grex retained a lawyer?
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robh
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response 105 of 561:
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Jun 25 16:24 UTC 1996 |
Only two of the five Board members were present at the meeting,
with one alternate brought in to make quorum. Because we could
theoretically get the other three members to vote in our favor,
we get to appeal the decision at no additional cost.
I don't think we're interested in fighting this, I think we're
a lot more interested in just getting out of the Dungeon.
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davel
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response 106 of 561:
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Jun 25 19:39 UTC 1996 |
Do we need to appeal just to gain time enough to actually move?
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gregc
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response 107 of 561:
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Jun 25 22:36 UTC 1996 |
Yes.
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adbarr
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response 108 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:05 UTC 1996 |
Yes, and no. You should not appeal unless you have good faith reasons
for doing so. You still can, but it is not ethical to do so.
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kerouac
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response 109 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:16 UTC 1996 |
yeah if grex is appealing PURELY to buy time to move, it is an abuse
of the court system. We have a real backlog of cases in our courts
because of too many people appealing lost causes simply to put off the
inevitable. If grex can make the case differently and better and if
the board honestly thinks there is a realistic chance of winning on
appeal, then do so.
Otherwise just accept the law as it has been laid down and live with it,
and move by a week from Monday (July 8th right?) It would be better for
grex to be homeless and down for a couple of weeks then to be hypocritical
and appeal when there is no basis for doing so.
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bruin
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response 110 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:34 UTC 1996 |
RE #109 Kerouac, I do believe that in this case there are other things besides
"buying time to move" involved. And if the Building Inspectors can make such
an arbitrary decision regarding Grex, then other similar organizations may
also be at risk.
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kerouac
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response 111 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:38 UTC 1996 |
maybe grex could sue the cityof ann arbor and get a restraining order
preventing enforcement of the ordinances in question while the lawsuit is
pending. Appealing a law is one thing, fighting to have it revised or
overturned is another.
Other on-line systems like m-net could sign on as co-plaintiffs in a
lawsuit whereas they couldnt join in any appeal
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kerouac
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response 112 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:43 UTC 1996 |
of course frivolous lawsuits are just as much a problem as
frivolous appeals of lower court decisions...have to be sure there
is solid legal footing to stand upon.
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scott
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response 113 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:57 UTC 1996 |
And of course, lawyers are *way* beyond Grex's finances...
We are appealing because we have the right to do so, and we have the right
to do so because the zoning board wasn't in full attendance. Hey, we might
get lucky.
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ldiot
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response 114 of 561:
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Jun 25 23:58 UTC 1996 |
Hmmmm, I was just thinking my brothers old room is empty
He'd never will come back I just thought that room would be good
Of course I would have to check on this with parents
of course this is a idea I just now thought about
Not sure how staff would say just thought I let them know.
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scott
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response 115 of 561:
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Jun 26 00:08 UTC 1996 |
Well, I'm not sure your parents would be happy about Grex staffers wandering
late at night to reboot Grex. :)
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rcurl
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response 116 of 561:
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Jun 26 00:17 UTC 1996 |
When any question arises about the appropriatenss of a ruling, it
should be appealed. This is true whether or not Grex was thinking of
moving anyway. It would be detrimental to future tenants if an erroneous
ruling were permitted to stand. It is, in fact, our civic duty to appeal.
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scg
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response 117 of 561:
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Jun 26 00:27 UTC 1996 |
kerouac, we are not tying up the court system. This appeal would be right
back to the building board. No matter how right we may think we are,
appealing back to the same people who voted against us is not going to get
them to change their minds. The appeal is only to buy time. If we think it's
anything else, we're fooling ourselves. But, that is time we need if we are
going to survive.
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ewhisam
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response 118 of 561:
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Jun 26 03:30 UTC 1996 |
I am way out here in Seattle, WA and I think that an appeal is in order if
allowed by law. Government is getting way too much control over our lives
and hey...if it doesnt work we have at least bought the time to run down the
street with grex in a wagon to the next secret base. :)
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kami
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response 119 of 561:
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Jun 26 04:25 UTC 1996 |
Well, *I* don't mind staffers wandering late at night to reboot Grex...
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brighn
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response 120 of 561:
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Jun 26 05:54 UTC 1996 |
Was that an offer for basement space, kami?
*brighn notes thatkami and michael's current domicile has a basement
with its own (persnickety) door*
but wasn't there a problem with moving grex into residential zones?
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robh
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response 121 of 561:
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Jun 26 06:00 UTC 1996 |
<robh is going to keep that in mind at tomorrow's meeting>
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robh
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response 122 of 561:
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Jun 26 06:01 UTC 1996 |
brighn slipped in. Apparently we can run Grex from somebody's
basement under certain circumstances, which somebody else will
have to explain as I can't remember them. >8(
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tsty
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response 123 of 561:
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Jun 26 08:15 UTC 1996 |
when does our lease expire of natural causes? were we considering
extending it (or even renewing) - or has there already been a
definitive decision to move at the end of our lease?
just getting an extention until were were already ready to move
would certainly, as a last result, be a suffficient tolerance
that the city could extend, methinks.
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robh
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response 124 of 561:
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Jun 26 14:04 UTC 1996 |
The current lease expires in November.
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