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Grex > Coop6 > #10: Should Grex be running a POP server? | |
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bartlett
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response 100 of 131:
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Dec 10 22:10 UTC 1994 |
I must agree with the sentiments in #97 and #99. As for #98, I found that
out after posting #94. If Grex can physically handle it, I think it
should be done.
Chris
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steve
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response 101 of 131:
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Dec 11 02:30 UTC 1994 |
I agree Mike that as more organizations do this, we won't be so
unusual. But remember this: news is cut off right now, and people
see lag of such enmormous amounts that they send staff mail asking
to have their accounts deleted becuase its just too slow to do anything.
When news starts up again, watch out. We haven't seen lag yet folks.
I know, I know: I'm sounding like a *&@$%@# broken record here. But
we are so over-taxed on the line right now that I just don't see how
we can 'afford' it linkwise.
However, I should also add that we don't really have any good
tools in place to see where our bandwith is going. But all that
will do is (possibly) point out where the true hogs are. I think
though, that all will agree that Grex's link emulates a bilge pump
at times!
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srw
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response 102 of 131:
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Dec 11 06:18 UTC 1994 |
POP by itself will not increase the usage of the link.
It is only indirectly by attracting more traffic that it will have that effect.
I am not convinced that this is as likely as STeve is, and I'd
like to see us experiment with it. Nevertheless, I won't push
hard for it, because there are more critical things for staff to
be doing right now.
One day Grex might offload mail transport to a separate CPU. If we did,
we might use POP internally, and that would be a good time to consider
exporting the service, too.
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kentn
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response 103 of 131:
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Dec 11 16:48 UTC 1994 |
Re 102: Just how likely *is* STeve, anyway? :) :)
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steve
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response 104 of 131:
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Dec 11 18:46 UTC 1994 |
Good question. Steves comment about attracting more traffic is what
I'm afraid of, not that the act of reading mail via POP itself is any
more hogacious than any other method.
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wh
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response 105 of 131:
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Dec 14 07:53 UTC 1994 |
Re 102. STeve is one of the most likely people on Grex. :)
We should consider a POP about the middle of next year after
a couple other problems have been resolved, regarding stability
and the move.
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andyv
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response 106 of 131:
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Dec 24 06:45 UTC 1994 |
I wonder why this discussion just dopped dead? A dead issue now?
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steve
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response 107 of 131:
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Dec 24 06:51 UTC 1994 |
Probably for several reasons: 1) it'll take staff time to
implement, 2) we haven't decided that we want to do it (or did
we?), 3) No one's pushed for it, 4) Enthopy reigns.
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srw
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response 108 of 131:
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Dec 24 22:15 UTC 1994 |
(1) It will take staff time, (2) Staff is mixed in their fellings towards
POP (3) Not true, several people have pushed for it. The pushing has stopped
for the time being though, because Grex has bigger problems, and (4) Huh?
I think that if our plans to establish a separate machine for mail transport
are ever realized, we may want to consider permitting access via POP at thath
time.
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andyv
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response 109 of 131:
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Dec 25 00:23 UTC 1994 |
Thanks for the summary :-)
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raven
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response 110 of 131:
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Dec 26 00:28 UTC 1994 |
Is there any chance we could get an ISDN link anytime in the
near future or is it still too expensive? An ISDN link would solve
the bandwidth problem, would it not?
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steve
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response 111 of 131:
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Dec 26 02:28 UTC 1994 |
Speaking totally off the top of my hat (which may have a big hole
in it), I think that getting an ISDN line to Grex would involve a
monthly cost of $150, plus the cost of the ISDN stuff on Grex's end,
and probably at the ICNet side of things.
And no, ISDN won't solve our problems--it will give us another
factor of two increase in the amount of traffic we can (un)reasonably
carry, but it will quickly become saturated, and we'll be roughly
were we are now, in terms of speed. I don't want to seem like a wet
noodle here, but I don't want people to get all hyper-excited about it,
only to find out two months later that we're slow-city once again.
Grex is to the point that we could actually use a T1 connection,
no kidding. Since we aren't about to get one, we gots this problem. ;-)
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bartlett
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response 112 of 131:
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Dec 28 18:03 UTC 1994 |
Consider me always pushing for it when and if technical considerations
merit an experiment. The problem is that some of felt that an experiment
would be merited sooner than others of us, i.e me and Steve respectively.
Steve wins, but only for now! <muhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!>
Chris
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kentn
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response 113 of 131:
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Dec 28 19:53 UTC 1994 |
Go, Chris, go!
heh.
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steve
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response 114 of 131:
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Dec 29 02:14 UTC 1994 |
Hey, I'd love to be wrong. Show me a $49.95/mo ISDN Internet connection,
and we'll get it, and I'll publically have cakes with "muhahahahahahaha"
written over them thrown at me. Mutiple cakes. Video taped, even.
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davel
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response 115 of 131:
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Dec 29 14:07 UTC 1994 |
I don't know, STeve. If we wait a few more years you may have to make
good on that. OTOH, you may still feel that it's worth it.
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pegasus
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response 116 of 131:
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Jan 3 18:22 UTC 1995 |
I know this isn't the right place, but can't we please add a few more
phone lines to the Centrex order?
Pattie
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popcorn
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response 117 of 131:
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Jan 4 08:37 UTC 1995 |
There'll be two additional phone lines.
When Grex's dial-ins are busy, you can often get through by calling Merit
at 998-1304 (19,200 baud), 998-1303 (9600? baud), 998-1302 (2400 baud) or
763-6520 (1200 baud). At "%terminal=" type "vt100". At "Which Host?",
type "msu-gopher". At "login", type "gopher". Select menu options
13, 5, 7, and 8, and press enter an extra time, and you're at Grex's
login prompt. The rumor mill says this is probably going away in February,
but it works for now.
I apologize to anybody who's had to wade through me entering this same
information in a lot of different places.
Oh yeah: if your terminal isn't actually a vt100 or vt-compatible
terminal, just press enter instead of typing vt100.
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carson
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response 118 of 131:
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Jan 4 08:43 UTC 1995 |
I think Pattie is suggesting more phone lines because she prefers to
dial-in in order to reach Grex. There are often times when _I'd_
prefer to use a dial-in. The nice thing about dialing in is that one
doesn't have to deal with all of the traffice going over the internet
link, plus it seems rarer for me to have a dial-in go down than it
does for the link to go down.
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davel
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response 119 of 131:
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Jan 4 23:26 UTC 1995 |
I've also never managed a binary file transfer via msu-gopher.
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pegasus
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response 120 of 131:
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Jan 6 01:18 UTC 1995 |
I have yet to use something other than a phone line to call into grex,
tho I think Bill's used Delphi to telnet in once or twice. Two additional
phone lines, while a good start, aren't enough, in my view.
Pattie
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popcorn
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response 121 of 131:
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Jan 6 02:20 UTC 1995 |
I agree that I prefer to connect through a dial-in. The most cost
effective way to increase the number of good connections into Grex might
well be to increase the bandwidth of Grex's internet link, rather than
adding more modems. A single new phone line helps one person at a time;
a better Internet connection helps up to 48 people.
Pattie -- What goes wrong when you try to use msu-gopher to get in to Grex?
By the way - another way in is to get to Merit's "Which Host?" prompt
and type "um-gomlink". At "login:" type "mlink". Choose option 5, then
option 1, and then search for the text string "grex". Sometimes this seems
less busy than msu-gopher.
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scg
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response 122 of 131:
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Jan 6 03:00 UTC 1995 |
Or for anybody with Merit authorization (a uniqname from the UM will work
for this, as will and MTS account), you can just type cyberspace.org at
the Which Host? prompt.
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steve
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response 123 of 131:
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Jan 7 05:13 UTC 1995 |
I agree Pattie that getting more lines would be a good idea. But
they cost some $250/year to feed not including the modem. So figure
out the first years cost at about $400 ($100 for a modem), and we're
starting to talk about money, quickly. Of course, and this is a big
consideration, we don't have to pay for it all at once.
Remember too, that once we've moved we can always order up some
new ones. With our current hardware we can have 9 more lines.
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pegasus
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response 124 of 131:
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Jan 9 21:31 UTC 1995 |
Steve,
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