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Grex > Coop13 > #363: The Temporary Cross Root Incident Item | |
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spooked
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response 100 of 128:
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Oct 4 00:02 UTC 2006 |
Well said Mike. Take your time, mate.
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cross
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response 101 of 128:
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Oct 4 00:22 UTC 2006 |
Fair enough.
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keesan
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response 102 of 128:
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Oct 4 04:03 UTC 2006 |
Spooked, if enough of us ask you nicely would you reconsider resigning?
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spooked
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response 103 of 128:
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Oct 4 05:09 UTC 2006 |
Thanks keesan...
All I want is an apology. I'm a very stubborn person - when I have been
treated poorly I don't ask much except for a 'sorry'.
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keesan
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response 104 of 128:
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Oct 4 15:05 UTC 2006 |
I can understand how you would be reluctant to continue working with someone
after being yelled at. Do you think an apology would make this sort of thing
less likely to happen again? Probably STeve was under some sort of stress
at the time, such as poor health, too much work, etc. Is it possible that
you were partly at fault and could apologize for that first? (I did not
really follow the whole case). Some people find it more difficult to
apologize.
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tod
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response 105 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:07 UTC 2006 |
I don't think spooked needs to apologize for trying to update Grex's anciently
obscure modules which had been hashed over in discussion in the garage
conference amply beforehand. STeve just flipped out because spooked had cross
(former staffer and considerably trustworthy) assisting with a root level
capability. The truth is that there needs to be some sort of formal process
to ensure other staff people are in the loop..and for that to happen (in a
timely fashion) then some people are just going to miss the boat. It was
assumed the garage conference was that venue but not according to STeve and
others.
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cross
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response 106 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:16 UTC 2006 |
It would seem that we assumed incorrectly. Okay.
Still, Steve's reaction and treatment of other parties could have been a
little friendlier. I don't think that people should have to crawl around
begging for apologies. If one cannot be had, and it was truly deserved then
that tells you something about the nature of grex's staff.
In this case, I do believe Mike deserves an apology. Even if Steve felt his
actions were justified, I still think he was unjustifably caustic with his
approach and subsequent lack of communication (though, to give the benefit
of the doubt, maybe the latter is just due to lack of time). Moreover,
apologizing for his demeanor wouldn't be invalidating his position, but
rather just acknowledging that other parties were offended. It would just
be saying, "Hey, I still think I was right, but sorry if the way I went
about it offended you...."
Probably, spooked resigning is a symptom of a larger problem (I haven't been
on staff for a few months, so I don't *really* know). But if that were the
case, instead of treating that symptom, one should look to treat the problem
itself.
Mike McNally said he had other reasons for resigning.
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tod
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response 107 of 128:
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Oct 4 19:58 UTC 2006 |
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike split from staff because everybody is
squabbling and his heart just isn't in it. I'm sure there are schedule
conflicts and other stuff, too..but I'm getting the vibe that something
positive needs to happen with staff soon up to and including some leadership
that isn't perceived as part of "the old guard."
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spooked
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response 108 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:48 UTC 2006 |
I would not be surprised either if that's a big factor for Mike.
Talking from how I feel personally...
I want to be in a team that works AS A TEAM! When it feels more like a
dictatorship - and, worse still, you are not respected and not given an
apology (as Dan has said, an apology does not necessarily suggest one
person was more right/wrong than anyone else) it is demoralising and
counterproductive.
I do not volunteer to staff for monetarily or status rewards!! I only ask
for some decency and that includes basic human respect.
I do not want to cause problems, and I do not believe I am radical -- or
am I missing something?
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spooked
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response 109 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:50 UTC 2006 |
eh, monetary
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tod
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response 110 of 128:
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Oct 4 20:54 UTC 2006 |
am I missing something?
I think you pretty much said it.
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cyklone
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response 111 of 128:
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Oct 4 23:25 UTC 2006 |
If this were a Disney movie, shouldn't this be the part where the grumpy
old junkyard owner takes pity on the poor little kid with the hard luck
life and teaches that kid everything he knows about the junk business?
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tod
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response 112 of 128:
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Oct 4 23:25 UTC 2006 |
This is the part where Ben Vereen teaches Kunte the chicken dance.
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spooked
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response 113 of 128:
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Oct 5 02:13 UTC 2006 |
I know all about a hard life. That's why I work when people sleep, so one
day I may rest easier. However, regardless of where I end up, I'm very
proud of the work I do and I enjoy it. And, I would never take a
managerial position - I prefer earning my money.
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naftee
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response 114 of 128:
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Oct 5 05:24 UTC 2006 |
i rather like sleeping through morning rush hour
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tod
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response 115 of 128:
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Oct 5 06:28 UTC 2006 |
I like writing policies, standards, protocols, and books. Not only does it
allow me to meet interesting people but lunch is included.
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nharmon
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response 116 of 128:
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Oct 5 13:20 UTC 2006 |
Todd is all about the claimed-non-existant free lunch.
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spooked
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response 117 of 128:
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Oct 5 13:40 UTC 2006 |
Policies, et. al - I produced a 340 page thesis so the next book I write
will be more philosophical.
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tod
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response 118 of 128:
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Oct 5 21:15 UTC 2006 |
re #116
I also am kind of a sucker "for the good of the Order"
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albaugh
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response 119 of 128:
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Oct 10 22:37 UTC 2006 |
No, this is where Ben Vereen starts singing "Goodbye my life, goodbye."
(All That Jazz)
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lar
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response 120 of 128:
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Oct 13 16:08 UTC 2006 |
Alright...so what's the story?
Did steve apologize?
Did cross ever get to complete his changes.
Did spooked's resignation stick?
*Note*
Someone needs to update the web page because it looks like cross is on
staff to me...
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cross
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response 121 of 128:
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Oct 13 16:09 UTC 2006 |
No, No, and Yes, respectively.
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naftee
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response 122 of 128:
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Oct 14 00:03 UTC 2006 |
:( to all
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gelinas
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response 123 of 128:
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Oct 14 01:10 UTC 2006 |
The Stafflist isn't the only thing that needs updating, but it's as good a
place as any to start, I guess.
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cross
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response 124 of 128:
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Oct 14 02:22 UTC 2006 |
Lots of things are out of date: /etc/group, for instance.
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