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keesan
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response 100 of 194:
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Nov 3 19:39 UTC 1999 |
;From Arthur Loesser's Men, Women, and Pianos, a Social History:
Favorite subjects for program music included storms (rain, waves, wind),
shepherds playing pipes, etc. Josef Wolfls at an 1800 concert played" "The
quiet sea--the rise of a squall--lightning, thunder, a heavy storm which
however subsides after some time--former conditions of the sea--transition
into a well-known song on which the player makes variations and
improvisations"
Another favorite topic was dances, and yet another battle scenes. It did not
take a lot of musical talent to write bugle calls, cannon shots, cavalry
charges, fog of battle, cries of hte wounded, national anthems, and victory
balls. There was a special notation for pianistic cannon shots (played with
the flat of the hand on the lowest notes). In fact two notations, one for
English and one for French cannon, were used in Wellington's Sieg.
Hybrids: Hummel's Waltzes with Trios and a Battel-Coda for the Apollo Rooms.
"This coda has been described as undanceable; thus, we might arrive at a
picture of the Apollo Rooms customers suddenly poising on tiptoe in mid-waltze
to enjoy the musical fracas." Special pedals were often built into early 19th
century pianos with which to imitate bells and drums for military pieces.
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dbratman
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response 101 of 194:
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Nov 9 02:26 UTC 1999 |
There's really something of a continuum between program music and
abstract music. Using a folk tune (like Tchaikovsky), or something that
sounds like a folk tune but isn't (like Dvorak's New World), doesn't
make a piece program music, though it may make it national music. Some
supposedly abstract works have "secret" programs that the composer had
in mind but that he didn't intend listeners to know about: that's the
case for all of Tchaikovsky's major symphonies (nos. 4-6). Then there
are people who, preferring program music and having a hard time treating
abstract music as abstract, have written their own programs, sometimes
attributing them to the composer. The story that the theme of
Beethoven's Fifth is "Fate knocking at the door" is an example of that.
There was a lot of this fake program-writing going on in the 19th
century, and that, more than anything else, is what gave program music a
bad name among abstract-music lovers.
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oddie
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response 102 of 194:
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Nov 9 04:47 UTC 1999 |
I have heard that Beethoven's Fifth is written "about" the French Revolution.
Supposedly some of the themes are taken from Revolutionary songs of
the fighters.
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md
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response 103 of 194:
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Nov 9 12:41 UTC 1999 |
Not only is it possible to superimpose a
program on an abstract work, it's also
possible to make up a new program for music
that already has one. Disney did that in
Fantasia, where, for example, music for a
ballet about a ritual sacrifice in pagan
Russia becomes the accompaniment to a
kindergarten history of life on earth up to
the extinction of the dinosaurs. I think
program music was generally regarded as a
category of music neither good nor bad in
itself until those cherubs' asses morphed
into pink love-hearts during Beethoven's 6th
in Fantasia. It takes artistic integrity
and a real effort of will to look at that
and say, "Nevertheless . . ."
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dbratman
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response 104 of 194:
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Nov 11 21:03 UTC 1999 |
I think I can say with a fair hope at accuracy that there are no French
revolutionary tunes in Beethoven's Fifth or any others of his
symphonies. There's a story that the Third (the "Eroica") was
originally dedicated to Napoleon, but that when he declared himself
Emperor, Beethoven angrily tore up the page. But that story may well be
no more accurate than the one about "Fate knocking at the door." The
Eroica is sometimes seen as presenting a biographical picture of an
anonymous Great Man, but if viewed as program music it's rather odd, as
what is the Funeral March doing in the middle?
Possibly the work you're thinking of is "Wellington's Victory", a
stunningly awful piece of hackwork that Beethoven tossed off for some
celebratory concert. In it, the English, represented by "God Save the
King", defeat (by being louder than) the French, who if I recall
correctly are represented by "The Bear Went Over the Mountain".
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orinoco
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response 105 of 194:
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Nov 20 16:20 UTC 1999 |
(Actually, the Fantasia use of the music from the Rite of Spring wasn't as
ridiculous as it sounds, since IIRC -- it's been a while since I've seen
it -- the music they use is mostly "nature waking itself up" rather than
dancing or sacrifice)
(And I think the French are represented by the French song whose tune was
borrowed for "The Bear Went Over the Mountain," if that makes any sort of
difference)
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keesan
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response 106 of 194:
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Nov 20 23:11 UTC 1999 |
See the new item I just started in Music on popular music at Kiwanis.
Gems from the classical collection in the ten cent bin:
1. Phillipe Entremont: Ritual Fire Dance and other Piano Pieces
2. Jessica Crawford at the Organ (with heavy mascara): Gypsy Love Song, A
Wandering Minstrel, Buttercup, Artist's Life, Treasure Waltz, and other organ
favorites (?)
3. Antonio Janigro, An Album of Cello Favorites. Granados Goyescas, Paradies
Sicilienne, Senaille Allegro spiritoso, Popper Chanson villageoise, Falla
Ritual Fire Dance, Popper Papillon, and some better known composers
4. Mendelssohn Songs Without Words
5. Miniatures by Johann Strauss
6. Biedermeier Dance Music III, Joseph Lanner, Dances Polkas and Waltzese
by Joseph Lanner, including Wilde Jagd, the Dance Around the Bride, Favorit
Polka (1801-1843).
The book on piano music I am reading mentions that a lot of easy popular music
was written in the nineteenth century (playable on organ). Anyone know more
about any of the above? These are the records that did not sell for five
months, even at ten cents, but must have been popular at one time.
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dbratman
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response 107 of 194:
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Nov 22 23:37 UTC 1999 |
Mendelssohn's "Songs without Words" are miniature piano pieces which
were highly popular in the 19th century, but are way too sugary for
most people's tastes today. The most famous, "Spring Song", has shown
up on old animated cartoons to comically accompany characters weaving
around drunk on springtime love. I've seen those cartoons a lot more
often than I've heard the piece in concert.
Josef Lanner was the first of the red-hot Viennese waltz masters. He
was pretty much driven off the market, though, by the superior product
of one Johann Strauss, who in turn was succeeded by his even more
talented son, Johann Strauss the Younger, who is surely the Johann
Strauss of the other CD, as _he_ was the guy who wrote "The Beautiful
Blue Danube", "Tales from the Vienna Woods", and the other works that
actually survive from the Biedermeier civilization. I've rarely heard
any Lanner, and didn't find it too memorable, but it could be an
interesting historical curiosity if you like that sort of stuff.
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keesan
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response 108 of 194:
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Nov 23 00:33 UTC 1999 |
'the other CD'? We are talking vinyl here. Has anyone ever heard or even
heard of Ritual Fire Dance before?
I have played Songs without Words and like them.
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orinoco
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response 109 of 194:
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Nov 23 04:22 UTC 1999 |
According to http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/releases/092399v.htm, there is
someone named Phillipe Entremont who is a conductor and piano soloist with the
Vienna Chamber Orchestra as of this year. No idea about the piece, though;
never heard of it.
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md
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response 110 of 194:
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Nov 23 12:01 UTC 1999 |
Isn't Ritual Fire Dance from Falla's El Amor Brujo?
I'm not familiar with much Falla beyond El Sombrero
de Tres Picos, which I love, so I can't confirm that.
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keesan
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response 111 of 194:
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Nov 23 21:16 UTC 1999 |
I never even heard of Falla until running across him at Kiwanis. What can
you tell us about him (her?).
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md
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response 112 of 194:
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Nov 24 01:22 UTC 1999 |
Manuel de Falla. Spanish. Early 20th century.
Wrote some colorful Spanish-sounding music that
became very popular, including the aforementioned
El Amor Brujo (Love, the Magician) and El Sombrero
de Tres Picos (The Three-Cornered Hat). The latter
is truly brilliant, in my opinion. His name
appeared in a memorable NY Times crossword puzzle
that featured puns on the names of famous composers:
"HANDELWITHCARE," "PUTOUTDEFALLA."
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dbratman
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response 113 of 194:
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Nov 24 23:32 UTC 1999 |
CD, LP, whatever.
De Falla's "Ritual Fire Dance" is a snappy little show-stopper. Part of
a ballet, it was written for orchestra but is often arranged. I've
heard it on harp.
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keesan
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response 114 of 194:
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Nov 25 17:43 UTC 1999 |
Which composers are generally thought of as writing 'light classical'?
(I have recently seen it as Lite).
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dbratman
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response 115 of 194:
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Dec 2 22:34 UTC 1999 |
A few composers (Johann Strauss, for one) wrote only light
classics, but most of the best light classics were written by
composers who also wrote "heavy classics". Even the Three
B's, some of the "heaviest" composers of all, wrote their
share of light classics: Bach's "Air on the G String" and
"Sheep May Safely Graze", Beethoven's "Fuer Elise" and
"Turkish March", Brahms's "Academic Festival Overture" and
"Hungarian Dances". But some composers whose most often-
played works are mostly light include Edvard Grieg, Franz
Liszt, and that one-work wonder Bedrich Smetana of "Moldau"
fame. (Yes, I know he wrote lots more, but radio stations
apparently don't know it.)
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coyote
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response 116 of 194:
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Dec 4 02:53 UTC 1999 |
You musn't forget Leroy Anderson, master light classical composer and creator
of such popular works as "Sleigh Ride", "Bugler's Holiday", and "The
Typewriter".
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omni
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response 117 of 194:
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Dec 4 08:40 UTC 1999 |
And of course, the classic "Syncopated Clock" which has always been one of
my favorites.
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davel
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response 118 of 194:
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Dec 4 14:14 UTC 1999 |
Grofe ("Grand Canyon Suite", etc.)
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keesan
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response 119 of 194:
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Jan 19 21:37 UTC 2000 |
Can anyone suggest outstanding compositions by lesser-known composers who only
wrote one or at most a few good things? Something on the order of Pachelbel's
Canon, Faure's Requiem or Bizet's Carmen. A few things I ran across that I
like are Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, Borodin's Polovetsian Dances, Bruch Violin
Concerto, Enescu's Romanian Rhapsody, Franck's Symphonic Variations and
Symphony. In other words favorite pieces by not-so-favorite composers or
composers who wrote very little.
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dbratman
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response 120 of 194:
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Jan 19 22:25 UTC 2000 |
Actually most of those composers wrote quite a lot. Faure, for
instance, wrote a lot of outstanding chamber music; and Bizet's Symphony
is a delight. Borodin's Polovetsian Dances is (are?) an excerpt from a
whole opera, "Prince Igor", and two other pieces by him show up in pops
concerts a lot: an infectious tone poem called "In the Steppes of
Central Asia" and the "Nocturne" arranged from his String Quartet No. 2.
Some other purportedly "one work" composers whose most famous work I
like a lot -- these are all early 20c -- are Holst's "The Planets",
Janacek's "Sinfonietta", and Orff's "Carmina Burana". Turning back to
the late 19c, I'm suddenly flashing on "The Funeral March of a
Marionette" by Charles Gounod, now vaguely forgotten but once famous as
Alfred Hitchcock's tv show theme (I'm told). And there's a work, once
hugely popular but now entirely forgotten, "The Rustic Wedding Symphony"
by Karl Goldmark, who never wrote anything else that I know about.
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orinoco
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response 121 of 194:
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Jan 19 22:59 UTC 2000 |
Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance march number (I think) four" a.k.a what they
play at all the graduations. Elgar apparently was a well-respected composer
at the time, but I only know his name on account of that one piece.
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albaugh
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response 122 of 194:
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Jan 19 23:34 UTC 2000 |
But both Holst and Elgar wrote lotza lotza stuff. And a lot of it I would
consider good stuff. Whether it's well known or "hits" is another matter...
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md
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response 123 of 194:
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Jan 20 19:23 UTC 2000 |
Elgar's "Enigma" variations remains a popular piece,
and much of his other music sells well enough for
the Elgar section at Harmony House to be quite ample.
Holst is less well represented, but there are still
many well-known pieces. If you've ever played in a
high school band, you probably know Holst's two
concert suites for band.
I would consider Samuel Barber a true one-hit composer,
along the lines of Pachelbel. He wrote barely 50 opus
numbers, none of which even comes close to the Adagio
for Strings in popularity. I would've said his Violin
Concerto is a close second, but really nothing comes
close to the Adagio, which, in the estimate of one man
(Ned Rorem, an envious no-hit composer) is *always* being
played, somewhere in the world, at any given moment.
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albaugh
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response 124 of 194:
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Jan 21 18:20 UTC 2000 |
You forget "School for Scandal"... (Sammy Barber)
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