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keesan
response 100 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 19:39 UTC 1999

;From Arthur Loesser's Men, Women, and Pianos, a Social History:
Favorite subjects for program music included storms (rain, waves, wind),
shepherds playing pipes, etc.  Josef Wolfls at an 1800 concert played"  "The
quiet sea--the rise of a squall--lightning, thunder, a heavy storm which
however subsides after some time--former conditions of the sea--transition
into a well-known song on which the player makes variations and
improvisations"
Another favorite topic was dances, and yet another battle scenes.  It did not
take a lot of musical talent to write bugle calls, cannon shots, cavalry
charges, fog of battle, cries of hte wounded, national anthems, and victory
balls.  There was a special notation for pianistic cannon shots (played with
the flat of the hand on the lowest notes).  In fact two notations, one for
English and one for French cannon, were used in Wellington's Sieg.
Hybrids:  Hummel's Waltzes with Trios and a Battel-Coda for the Apollo Rooms.
"This coda has been described as undanceable;  thus, we might arrive at a
picture of the Apollo Rooms customers suddenly poising on tiptoe in mid-waltze
to enjoy the musical fracas."  Special pedals were often built into early 19th
century pianos with which to imitate bells and drums for military pieces.

dbratman
response 101 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 9 02:26 UTC 1999

There's really something of a continuum between program music and 
abstract music.  Using a folk tune (like Tchaikovsky), or something that 
sounds like a folk tune but isn't (like Dvorak's New World), doesn't 
make a piece program music, though it may make it national music.  Some 
supposedly abstract works have "secret" programs that the composer had 
in mind but that he didn't intend listeners to know about: that's the 
case for all of Tchaikovsky's major symphonies (nos. 4-6).  Then there 
are people who, preferring program music and having a hard time treating 
abstract music as abstract, have written their own programs, sometimes 
attributing them to the composer.  The story that the theme of 
Beethoven's Fifth is "Fate knocking at the door" is an example of that. 
There was a lot of this fake program-writing going on in the 19th 
century, and that, more than anything else, is what gave program music a 
bad name among abstract-music lovers.
oddie
response 102 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 9 04:47 UTC 1999

I have heard that Beethoven's Fifth is written "about" the French Revolution.
Supposedly some of the themes are taken from Revolutionary songs of
the fighters.
md
response 103 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 9 12:41 UTC 1999

Not only is it possible to superimpose a 
program on an abstract work, it's also 
possible to make up a new program for music 
that already has one.  Disney did that in 
Fantasia, where, for example, music for a 
ballet about a ritual sacrifice in pagan 
Russia becomes the accompaniment to a 
kindergarten history of life on earth up to 
the extinction of the dinosaurs.  I think 
program music was generally regarded as a 
category of music neither good nor bad in 
itself until those cherubs' asses morphed 
into pink love-hearts during Beethoven's 6th 
in Fantasia.  It takes artistic integrity 
and a real effort of will to look at that 
and say, "Nevertheless . . ."
dbratman
response 104 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 11 21:03 UTC 1999

I think I can say with a fair hope at accuracy that there are no French 
revolutionary tunes in Beethoven's Fifth or any others of his 
symphonies.  There's a story that the Third (the "Eroica") was 
originally dedicated to Napoleon, but that when he declared himself 
Emperor, Beethoven angrily tore up the page.  But that story may well be 
no more accurate than the one about "Fate knocking at the door."  The 
Eroica is sometimes seen as presenting a biographical picture of an 
anonymous Great Man, but if viewed as program music it's rather odd, as 
what is the Funeral March doing in the middle?

Possibly the work you're thinking of is "Wellington's Victory", a 
stunningly awful piece of hackwork that Beethoven tossed off for some 
celebratory concert.  In it, the English, represented by "God Save the 
King", defeat (by being louder than) the French, who if I recall 
correctly are represented by "The Bear Went Over the Mountain".
orinoco
response 105 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 20 16:20 UTC 1999

(Actually, the Fantasia use of the music from the Rite of Spring wasn't as
ridiculous as it sounds, since IIRC -- it's been a while since I've seen
it -- the music they use is mostly "nature waking itself up" rather than
dancing or sacrifice)

(And I think the French are represented by the French song whose tune was
borrowed for "The Bear Went Over the Mountain," if that makes any sort of
difference)
keesan
response 106 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 20 23:11 UTC 1999

See the new item I just started in Music on popular music at Kiwanis.
Gems from the classical collection in the ten cent bin:
1.  Phillipe Entremont:  Ritual Fire Dance and other Piano Pieces
2.  Jessica Crawford at the Organ (with heavy mascara):  Gypsy Love Song, A
Wandering Minstrel, Buttercup, Artist's Life, Treasure Waltz, and other organ
favorites (?)
3.  Antonio Janigro, An Album of Cello Favorites.  Granados Goyescas, Paradies
Sicilienne, Senaille Allegro spiritoso, Popper Chanson villageoise, Falla
Ritual Fire Dance, Popper Papillon, and some better known composers
4.  Mendelssohn Songs Without Words
5.  Miniatures by Johann Strauss
6.  Biedermeier Dance Music III, Joseph Lanner, Dances Polkas and Waltzese
by Joseph Lanner, including Wilde Jagd, the Dance Around the Bride, Favorit
Polka (1801-1843).
The book on piano music I am reading mentions that a lot of easy popular music
was written in the nineteenth century (playable on organ).  Anyone know more
about any of the above?  These are the records that did not sell for five
months, even at ten cents, but must have been popular at one time.
dbratman
response 107 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 23:37 UTC 1999

Mendelssohn's "Songs without Words" are miniature piano pieces which 
were highly popular in the 19th century, but are way too sugary for 
most people's tastes today.  The most famous, "Spring Song", has shown 
up on old animated cartoons to comically accompany characters weaving 
around drunk on springtime love.  I've seen those cartoons a lot more 
often than I've heard the piece in concert.

Josef Lanner was the first of the red-hot Viennese waltz masters.  He 
was pretty much driven off the market, though, by the superior product 
of one Johann Strauss, who in turn was succeeded by his even more 
talented son, Johann Strauss the Younger, who is surely the Johann 
Strauss of the other CD, as _he_ was the guy who wrote "The Beautiful 
Blue Danube", "Tales from the Vienna Woods", and the other works that 
actually survive from the Biedermeier civilization.  I've rarely heard 
any Lanner, and didn't find it too memorable, but it could be an 
interesting historical curiosity if you like that sort of stuff.

keesan
response 108 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 00:33 UTC 1999

'the other CD'?  We are talking vinyl here.  Has anyone ever heard or even
heard of Ritual Fire Dance before?
I have played Songs without Words and like them.
orinoco
response 109 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 04:22 UTC 1999

According to http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/releases/092399v.htm, there is
someone named Phillipe Entremont who is a conductor and piano soloist with the
Vienna Chamber Orchestra as of this year.  No idea about the piece, though;
never heard of it.
md
response 110 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 12:01 UTC 1999

Isn't Ritual Fire Dance from Falla's El Amor Brujo?
I'm not familiar with much Falla beyond El Sombrero
de Tres Picos, which I love, so I can't confirm that.
keesan
response 111 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 21:16 UTC 1999

I never even heard of Falla until running across him at Kiwanis.  What can
you tell us about him (her?).
md
response 112 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 01:22 UTC 1999

Manuel de Falla.  Spanish.  Early 20th century.
Wrote some colorful Spanish-sounding music that
became very popular, including the aforementioned
El Amor Brujo (Love, the Magician) and El Sombrero
de Tres Picos (The Three-Cornered Hat).  The latter
is truly brilliant, in my opinion.  His name 
appeared in a memorable NY Times crossword puzzle
that featured puns on the names of famous composers:
"HANDELWITHCARE," "PUTOUTDEFALLA."
dbratman
response 113 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 23:32 UTC 1999

CD, LP, whatever.

De Falla's "Ritual Fire Dance" is a snappy little show-stopper.  Part of 
a ballet, it was written for orchestra but is often arranged.  I've 
heard it on harp.
keesan
response 114 of 194: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 17:43 UTC 1999

Which composers are generally thought of as writing 'light classical'?
(I have recently seen it as Lite).
dbratman
response 115 of 194: Mark Unseen   Dec 2 22:34 UTC 1999

A few composers (Johann Strauss, for one) wrote only light 
classics, but most of the best light classics were written by 
composers who also wrote "heavy classics".  Even the Three 
B's, some of the "heaviest" composers of all, wrote their 
share of light classics: Bach's "Air on the G String" and 
"Sheep May Safely Graze", Beethoven's "Fuer Elise" and 
"Turkish March", Brahms's "Academic Festival Overture" and 
"Hungarian Dances".  But some composers whose most often-
played works are mostly light include Edvard Grieg, Franz 
Liszt, and that one-work wonder Bedrich Smetana of "Moldau" 
fame.  (Yes, I know he wrote lots more, but radio stations 
apparently don't know it.)
coyote
response 116 of 194: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 02:53 UTC 1999

You musn't forget Leroy Anderson, master light classical composer and creator
of such popular works as "Sleigh Ride", "Bugler's Holiday", and "The
Typewriter".
omni
response 117 of 194: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 08:40 UTC 1999

  And of course, the classic "Syncopated Clock" which has always been one of
my favorites.
davel
response 118 of 194: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 14:14 UTC 1999

Grofe ("Grand Canyon Suite", etc.)
keesan
response 119 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 21:37 UTC 2000

Can anyone suggest outstanding compositions by lesser-known composers who only
wrote one or at most a few good things?  Something on the order of Pachelbel's
Canon, Faure's Requiem or Bizet's Carmen.  A few things I ran across that I
like are Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, Borodin's Polovetsian Dances, Bruch Violin
Concerto, Enescu's Romanian Rhapsody, Franck's Symphonic Variations and
Symphony.  In other words favorite pieces by not-so-favorite composers or
composers who wrote very little.
dbratman
response 120 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 22:25 UTC 2000

Actually most of those composers wrote quite a lot.  Faure, for 
instance, wrote a lot of outstanding chamber music; and Bizet's Symphony 
is a delight.  Borodin's Polovetsian Dances is (are?) an excerpt from a 
whole opera, "Prince Igor", and two other pieces by him show up in pops 
concerts a lot: an infectious tone poem called "In the Steppes of 
Central Asia" and the "Nocturne" arranged from his String Quartet No. 2.

Some other purportedly "one work" composers whose most famous work I 
like a lot -- these are all early 20c -- are Holst's "The Planets", 
Janacek's "Sinfonietta", and Orff's "Carmina Burana".  Turning back to 
the late 19c, I'm suddenly flashing on "The Funeral March of a 
Marionette" by Charles Gounod, now vaguely forgotten but once famous as 
Alfred Hitchcock's tv show theme (I'm told).  And there's a work, once 
hugely popular but now entirely forgotten, "The Rustic Wedding Symphony" 
by Karl Goldmark, who never wrote anything else that I know about.
orinoco
response 121 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 22:59 UTC 2000

Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance march number (I think) four" a.k.a what they
play at all the graduations.  Elgar apparently was a well-respected composer
at the time, but I only know his name on account of that one piece.  
albaugh
response 122 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 19 23:34 UTC 2000

But both Holst and Elgar wrote lotza lotza stuff.  And a lot of it I would
consider good stuff.  Whether it's well known or "hits" is another matter...
md
response 123 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 20 19:23 UTC 2000

Elgar's "Enigma" variations remains a popular piece,
and much of his other music sells well enough for 
the Elgar section at Harmony House to be quite ample.
Holst is less well represented, but there are still
many well-known pieces.  If you've ever played in a
high school band, you probably know Holst's two
concert suites for band.  

I would consider Samuel Barber a true one-hit composer,
along the lines of Pachelbel.  He wrote barely 50 opus 
numbers, none of which even comes close to the Adagio 
for Strings in popularity.  I would've said his Violin 
Concerto is a close second, but really nothing comes 
close to the Adagio, which, in the estimate of one man
(Ned Rorem, an envious no-hit composer) is *always* being 
played, somewhere in the world, at any given moment.
albaugh
response 124 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 21 18:20 UTC 2000

You forget "School for Scandal"...  (Sammy Barber)
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