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Grex > Agora47 > #116: The next chapter in the life of a Customs Officer. | |
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gull
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response 100 of 196:
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Oct 28 21:29 UTC 2003 |
For me, I think it would depend on whether my friend was on duty or not. If
he was off duty, I'd probably let him into my house. But if a good friend
of mine who was a cop showed up, on duty, and asked me to let him search my
house, I wouldn't treat him any differently than any other cop. He'd have
to have a warrant.
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tod
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response 101 of 196:
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Oct 28 21:40 UTC 2003 |
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cross
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response 102 of 196:
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Oct 28 23:09 UTC 2003 |
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anderyn
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response 103 of 196:
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Oct 28 23:43 UTC 2003 |
But I think that he's still Bruce. :) After all, I am married to him, which
trumps seeing him as anything except himself. For goodness sakes, he had the
gun in the house every day and night for over a year, and I was never worried
about it. I *know* that there would never be a reason to worry. Of course,
not everyone knows that, not the way I do. So I understand how other people
could be nervous, but it's still very ridiculous to me, because I know how
off-base that is.
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tod
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response 104 of 196:
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Oct 28 23:49 UTC 2003 |
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happyboy
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response 105 of 196:
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Oct 29 01:15 UTC 2003 |
LOL
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bru
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response 106 of 196:
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Oct 29 02:27 UTC 2003 |
An officer is an officer whether he is in uniform or not. The uniform only
shows that authority when I am on duty. (I never thought of it that way
before) You are expected to act as an officer whether in uniform or out.
If a see a federal felony while walking down the street out of uniform that
does not change my duty.
I still haven't resolved the conflict that I could use my gun to defend myself
or another officer, but not to defend my wife. Or why I could use my own
handcuffs to detain the boyfriend without threat to my job, but not the ones
issued by the government.
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other
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response 107 of 196:
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Oct 29 03:18 UTC 2003 |
re #106, para 2:
The reasons are quite simple. The gun and the handcuffs are more
than tools. They are the literal means by which authority is conveyed to
the officer who carries them. That distinguishes that particular gun and
those particular handcuffs from any others. Because of the authority the
tools themselves represent, their use has to be tightly constrained to
instances in which the particular authority they represent is applicable
and appropriate.
Put differently, the guy is the officer, and the gun and cuffs are the
office. Your actions are your own business, but any actions involving
the gun and cuffs are automatically vested with the authority of the
office, and you don't have the right to vest your actions with that
authority unless those actions specifically part of your job.
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pvn
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response 108 of 196:
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Oct 29 08:29 UTC 2003 |
Good luck in your new job.
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tod
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response 109 of 196:
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Oct 29 16:52 UTC 2003 |
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richard
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response 110 of 196:
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Oct 30 06:42 UTC 2003 |
when I was little, my dad not only didn't allow real guns into the
house, he didn't allow toy guns. it was what guns represented. you
shouldn't even "play" shooting other people, because it becomes easier
to imagine "really" shooting other people
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gull
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response 111 of 196:
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Oct 30 13:53 UTC 2003 |
My parents didn't outright prohibit guns and "war toys", but they didn't
buy them for me either.
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slynne
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response 112 of 196:
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Oct 30 15:08 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, we werent allowed to have guns either except for those really
fake looking neon plastic squirt guns. We used to get gun lectures
*all* the time. Never touch a gun. If you go to someone's house and
they have a gun, leave their house. etc etc.
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keesan
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response 113 of 196:
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Oct 30 15:34 UTC 2003 |
Jim has a potato gun.
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klg
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response 114 of 196:
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Oct 30 17:17 UTC 2003 |
(This would explain a lot.)
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anderyn
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response 115 of 196:
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Oct 30 17:52 UTC 2003 |
Different times when I was growing up, I can recall people having toy guns
to play cowboys with. I was not usually the cowboy. I found out mych later
that my Dad had guns in the house the whole time I was growing up, although
I never knew it. (And a good thing, too, 'cause my Dad was a rage addict, so
I wonder sometimes why we never got shot in a murder suicide thing...) I don't
particularly *like* guns, but I never forbade my kids to have toy ones. (Don't
think they had any, though. Except the G.I. Joe minature ones.)
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rcurl
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response 116 of 196:
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Oct 30 18:56 UTC 2003 |
I grew up with unlimited access to toy guns - including "cap pistols"
(which "fired" little packets of impact-detonated explosive, which came in
rolls - in case anyone here never heard of them). "Water pistols" were
also very popular.
However *real* guns were seemingly impossible to obtain. Only police,
soldiers, and city gangs had those. My father did have his army-reserve
(mounted cavalry) issued revolver, which he fired into the ground once
each 4th of July. My impression was, though, that deaths by civilian use
of handguns were rather rare. Things had changed by the time I had
children and guns were much more available, and shooting deaths had
seemingly increased dramatically, either by accident or intent. Because of
this I forbade toy guns in my home and admonished kids that appeared with
them to never point them at a person. The only exceptions were "water
guns" that didn't look like real guns (colorful "Super Soakers", for
example).
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gull
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response 117 of 196:
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Oct 30 20:13 UTC 2003 |
My dad kept a shotgun in the garage, which he fired on rare occasions at
animals who had gotten into my mom's garden. This accomplished nothing
except proving what a bad shot he was. ;)
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bru
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response 118 of 196:
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Oct 30 20:48 UTC 2003 |
I got my first gun, a .22 caliber single shot rifle, when I was 9 years old.
I got my first pistol when I was 25. never shot anybody, nevber considered
using them for toys.
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rcurl
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response 119 of 196:
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Oct 30 21:00 UTC 2003 |
That hasn't stopped millions of others thinking and acting otherwise.
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tod
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response 120 of 196:
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Oct 30 22:42 UTC 2003 |
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keesan
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response 121 of 196:
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Oct 30 23:28 UTC 2003 |
I remember cap-gun caps. We used to focus magnifying glasses on them to set
them off with sunlight. Much more fun. Also useful for burning newsprint
into interesting patterns.
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other
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response 122 of 196:
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Oct 31 00:42 UTC 2003 |
I had this really cool heavy duty water ballon thingy which, when
filled with water, worked like a water cannon with a very limited
reserve. It got taken away from me because I kept using it on my
brother.
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lowclass
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response 123 of 196:
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Oct 31 00:45 UTC 2003 |
You can "fire off a whole roll of caps at once, with the use of a
hammer. I would like to point out that is, in fact *a hypothesis*.
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gelinas
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response 124 of 196:
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Oct 31 01:09 UTC 2003 |
(An hypothesis I tested many times, but never proved true.)
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