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Grex > Agora41 > #81: Washtenaw County workplace smoking ban? | |
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jmsaul
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response 100 of 155:
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Apr 16 23:13 UTC 2002 |
I'm a nonsmoker, but it's very rare for me to have problems in an Ann Arbor
restaurant as it is.
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mdw
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response 101 of 155:
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Apr 17 00:20 UTC 2002 |
I've had problems in the past - including a confrontation with a smoker
in a restaurant many years back, who decided that because the smoking
section was full, it was ok to light up in the non-smoking section.
I've also walked out of restaurants when the non-smoking section was
full, and the only spots left were in the smoking section. These days,
I appreciate the fact there are so many all-non-smoking restaurants in
the A^2 area, and only rarely patronize establishments where there is
any smoking at all.
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mvpel
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response 102 of 155:
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Apr 17 00:23 UTC 2002 |
The FREE MARKET at work!! It's a MIRACLE!!!
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keesan
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response 103 of 155:
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Apr 17 00:31 UTC 2002 |
I am not among those who said they were opposed to smoking in bars, by the
way. The problem with perfume is when your housemate has someone over who
is wearing perfume and the whole house stinks for a few hours afterwards.
I don't normally have to explain anything to smokers because none of my
friends smoke and I work at home. I was explain why I am not friends with
any smokers because they stink. Smoking destroys the sense of smell so
smokers do not know this.
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senna
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response 104 of 155:
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Apr 17 00:59 UTC 2002 |
You're in favor of banning smoking in public places. Isn't a bar a public
place?
I am friends, or at least positively acquainted with, several smokers, most
of whom rarely smell bad. One person would come in from his break stinking
to high heaven, but even that wore off after awhile. I certainly know better
than to complain about it, because I'm sure that there are situations where
I'll be in social situations shortly after intense physical work involving
large volumes of sweat in which I am hardly the most pleasant guy to be
around. We all try to avoid them, but it happens.
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keesan
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response 105 of 155:
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Apr 17 01:05 UTC 2002 |
I am against smoking in public places that other people have to breathe in,
such as sidewalks and post offices. I personally do not care about bars.
Some people who don't smoke do want to go to bars.
The smell of sweat does not contain toxins that get into other people's lungs
and give them headaches and nausea and take a few hours to wear off.
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jep
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response 106 of 155:
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Apr 17 01:33 UTC 2002 |
Sindi, did you get sick from riding in my car?
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jmsaul
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response 107 of 155:
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Apr 17 02:56 UTC 2002 |
Re #102: Actually, it is a miracle.
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russ
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response 108 of 155:
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Apr 17 04:14 UTC 2002 |
Re #89: I have control over that, and I only use them when the weather
is such that I can work outside or open the windows. I do not use
certain cleaning solvents because they irritate me too much.
I walked out of a restaurant on Sunday because there was no seating
open which was sufficiently far from the smoking section to allow
the particulates to settle out before they got to me. I went to
another restaurant. I usually tip rather well, so both the restaurant
and the wait staff lost out because they allow smoking and don't have
good smoke control (such as physical barriers and exhaust fans).
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bru
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response 109 of 155:
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Apr 17 05:10 UTC 2002 |
There are many laws on the books that are not readily enforced because the
police are busy doing other things we require them to do. Like hunting for
murderers adn stoping gang violence and such. If they had nothing else to
occupy their time, I am sure they would enforce non-smoking and other laws.
The problem is not the police, the problem is the politicians who need to pass
laws to justify their existence. Wouldn't it be nice if the legislature
refused to meet for a year or unless something important called them to the
congress.
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keesan
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response 110 of 155:
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Apr 17 12:23 UTC 2002 |
Re getting sick in the car, the answer is yes. I felt sick for a few hours
afterwards. I would have preferred to walk or bike but was being polite.
That is why it is simpler not to be friends with smokers.
The police spent some of their precious time coming out two days in a row
putting $20 tickets on Jim's car because it was parked 3' 8" instead of 4'
from the driveway exit next door which the crazy neighbor without the car was
acting territorial about. They also ticketed two other neighbors for the same
thing, one time on a day when the driveway in question was under 2' of snow
and the new neighbor did not know it was there. They are a lot more
interested in enforcing parking laws than some other laws. But I had to
really argue with them to come out and do something about a car that was
repeatedly parked completely across a sidewalk.
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edina
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response 111 of 155:
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Apr 17 12:47 UTC 2002 |
Well, I'll be sure to tell my mother and grandmother that I can no longer be
with them, as they smoke. And I'll give them your number when they ask why.
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polygon
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response 112 of 155:
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Apr 17 13:22 UTC 2002 |
Note that the Ingham County regulation, which Washtenaw proposes to emulate,
exempts bars and restaurants.
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slynne
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response 113 of 155:
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Apr 17 14:44 UTC 2002 |
How it is working out in Ingham County?
Larry, would this regulation include outdoor areas like sidewalks and
parks?
My biggest concern about this regulation was that it would hurt
Ypsilanti businesses (bars and restaurants). Therefore, since it
excludes them, it seems like it could be a good thing.
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keesan
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response 114 of 155:
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Apr 17 15:11 UTC 2002 |
re #111 I do not follow the logic of why you would want to avoid your
relatives who smoke when I am the one who is bothered by smoke.
I thought indoor public places in Michigan already banned smoking, other than
bars and restaurants. Or is the new bill to include private business as well?
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jep
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response 115 of 155:
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Apr 17 17:40 UTC 2002 |
re #110: I apologize for that, then. Just so you know, next time it
would not bother me if you rode your bike instead.
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keesan
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response 116 of 155:
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Apr 18 00:11 UTC 2002 |
Thank you John. By the way I did not notice that your person smelled of
smoke, it was just a very strong smell of pipe in the car. Perhaps the four
of us can go biking on the river some time when you get your tandem gadget.
We were there today and saw redwing blackbirds, and heard frogs, and there
were ducks and geese. At the far end is a working gristmill where they give
tours on weekends. You might prefer to start at that end and go to Gallup
Park and back, or only partway. It is mostly flat.
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jep
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response 117 of 155:
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Apr 18 18:14 UTC 2002 |
Sounds good to me. I'll probably be much slower than you. I'll
probably get the gadget this weekend, btw. It's the Adams Trail-a-Bike
if you want to see what it looks like:
http://www.norco.com/adams/tab.htm
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gull
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response 118 of 155:
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Apr 18 19:05 UTC 2002 |
Re #99: The "smokers smell bad" argument is especially ironic when you
consider it's coming from someone who's also opposed to deoderant.
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scott
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response 119 of 155:
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Apr 18 20:49 UTC 2002 |
"Smoker breath" is pretty nasty, even compared to old sweat.
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senna
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response 120 of 155:
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Apr 18 23:19 UTC 2002 |
Not as widespread, though.
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oval
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response 121 of 155:
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Apr 19 00:27 UTC 2002 |
i'm opposed to deodorant too. although i do sometimes wear it.
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edina
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response 122 of 155:
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Apr 19 12:17 UTC 2002 |
And trust me - we are all grateful.
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keesan
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response 123 of 155:
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Apr 19 16:02 UTC 2002 |
A lot of deodorants are perfumed and smell a lot worse than the sweat.
I had a roommate who sprayed it on every morning and I asked her to warm me
first so I could leave the room.
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happyboy
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response 124 of 155:
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Apr 19 16:26 UTC 2002 |
i bet you're easy to get along with.
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