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brighn
response 100 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 17 20:33 UTC 1996

I think it should be.  If a newuser chooses actively to ignore the screens
(which, admittedly, the majority probably do), that's one thing.  But not
providing it by default cheats those people who do want to read it, and at
any rate people can't plead utter ignorance (at least without revealing that
they skipped those screens) if it's at least flitted past their screen.
selena
response 101 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 18 02:59 UTC 1996

Exactly! Why does webnewuser NOT do all that? AND, do web-people
have to become a newuser via webnewuser to read us?
tsty
response 102 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 08:20 UTC 1996

even as remmers says in #75 .. "(s)ince Grex has an open newuser policy
and doesn't verify ..." i add, they can jolly well use newuser before
reading stuff here. aside from the copywrite situation (which is valid 
enough to prohibit linked stuff) i consider it simply bad form even if
it is (quoting remmers' friend, ollie) "a neat idea."
davel
response 103 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 13:16 UTC 1996

TS, we'd have a *lot* fewer accounts which are used only once (or, now,
*never*) if folks had a chance to preview what Grex is like first.
srw
response 104 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 14:39 UTC 1996

In fact, the "guest account" approach would allow people to read conferences
in picospan without taking out accounts. This was not strongly opposed, but
rather merely failed to get implemented. 

It is configurable whether someone accessing by the web would need to have an
account. As Backtalk works right now, they would only need an account to
respond. It doesn't have to work that way.

Given that we do not require users to identify themselves in any way, I fail
to understand the point of requiring that they take out accounts. This puts
an obstacle in the way of their finding out what we are about. This is exactly
what we *don't* need. I am especially appalled at the attitude that they can
"jolly well use newuser". That just makes people work harder for the same
effect. Putting pain in their path turns them away. We are trying to make it
easier so that more people understand what we are doing here in the first
place.
russ
response 105 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 15:12 UTC 1996

Given the amount of lag on the Internet connection and the waits
in the queue, Grex suffers from too many users, not a lack thereof.
The rationale for the web-accessible conferences is lacking.  What
you need is to promote a higher grade of user, not more quantity.
srw
response 106 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 16:32 UTC 1996

I see nothing "low-grade" about our conference users. The lag is caused mostly
by incoming or outgoing mail, or by people ftp'ing their mail back to where
they can read it. Maybe we chould stop offering free mail?

The advantage of web-based conferencing, from my POV, is that you can only 
use it for conferencing. You can't use it for e-mail, ftp, or other things.
If it encourages a different class of confrence user, I think that would 
be of value. It would certainly increase the percentage of the system used 
for conferencing.
brighn
response 107 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 20 16:48 UTC 1996

System tie-ups (not lag, I don't think, but used ttys) are also caused by
partyers... when there are 70+ people online, 20 of them miught be in party,
and the average on-line time for a party user is longer, i would bet, than
for a conferencer.
I know *I* spend much more time in party than in conferences.
selena
response 108 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 21 04:14 UTC 1996

But, if they don't take out an account, then they miss all that
decently written and well tthought out info on what grex is.. reading us,
without that, leaves the reade totally out of context, and, on the net or the
web, we ARE unique here!  I'd be much more comfortable if they only got to read
my stuff after they went through the account process.
srw
response 109 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 15:50 UTC 1996

We can certainly arrange for all that decently written and well thought out
info about what Grex is to be placed on the web page where the anonymous user
would not miss the opportunity to see it. Of course we can never guarantee
that they will read and understand it, but we can't guarantee that now.

Your suggestions are good ones, Selena. 
janc
response 110 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 24 21:25 UTC 1996

I agree that "webnewuser" should present more information about Grex.  Adding
that info is just a matter of editing text files.  I haven't got around to
doing this, and I'm not sure that I'm the right person to do it.  I suspect
some information should be put directly on the form, some should be on links
accessble from the forms, and some should be displayed on the "Your Account
has been created" page.
remmers
response 111 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 25 11:38 UTC 1996

One thing that definitely needs to be added to webnewuser is the
"manifesto" that the normal newuser displays.
selena
response 112 of 112: Mark Unseen   Aug 27 10:49 UTC 1996

Right, at least that.
And, thank you, srw.. I've been oing through some changes, lately. let's see
what happens.
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