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Grex > Coop8 > #45: What is a fair witness? (II) | |
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popcorn
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response 100 of 115:
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May 4 18:53 UTC 1996 |
Yup, I'd heard the various "blackval" type names before. Mostly I'd heard
that I'm "darkval". Ever seen all three of us together? It happened once.
We sat together on the sofa and invented the triple-Val three-way handshake.
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adbarr
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response 101 of 115:
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May 4 19:45 UTC 1996 |
I am so glad we are clarifying all this because the question: What is
a fair witness (II) certainly needs to engage our thinking about hair
color. After all, the very question What is a "fair" witness raises
presumptions that are limiting, in this context. Now I have gone and
confused myself!
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brighn
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response 102 of 115:
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May 5 18:34 UTC 1996 |
It is a question of identity.
Hair color is part of identity.
Le's do eyecolor next. =}
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carson
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response 103 of 115:
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May 5 21:08 UTC 1996 |
llanarth has a picture of the trivalence.
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kerouac
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response 104 of 115:
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May 5 21:09 UTC 1996 |
yeah but redval (val szopko) is really a blonde as I understand it...
she ever gets tired of dye jobs and there will be two blondval's!
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brighn
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response 105 of 115:
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May 5 23:12 UTC 1996 |
No, because blondval is really a brunette...
it's a lie, it's all a lie!
Maybe Popcorn really has redhair under there!
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adbarr
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response 106 of 115:
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May 5 23:54 UTC 1996 |
I want the world to know I passed on that one.
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brighn
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response 107 of 115:
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May 6 08:09 UTC 1996 |
There is a scandal in 106 involving Arnold, Popcorn, and water
sports. If this information is insufficient for you to notice it,
go write Penthouse or something, but I'm not explaining it.
It's bad enough I was sick enough to not only notice it, but
to point it out.
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adbarr
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response 108 of 115:
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May 6 11:27 UTC 1996 |
How quickly we degenerate to the level of imparting base motives to our
fellows. I accept full resposibility here. I'm sure all our animal brains
are making all sorts of associations but we need to regain control! Let's
pleease, talk about the proper role of a fairwitness. This stuff is fun
at times, but is not constructive in this context. Perhaps we need a
"Wiseguy" conference (due apologies to p.c. -- "Wiseperson" just does
not have the same connotations - or does it?). Brighn -- there was an
interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about the problems at
Penthouse (financial/purpose etc), did you see that? I buy WSJ for the
pictures, and Penthouse for the articles!
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popcorn
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response 109 of 115:
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May 6 12:27 UTC 1996 |
So... What *is* a fair witness?
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brighn
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response 110 of 115:
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May 6 16:45 UTC 1996 |
Wall Street Journal has boring pictures, so I don't read it. =}
A fairwitness, minimally, is an overseer who makes sure that the posts
don't wander into open slander or abuse, or other maliciousness.
I think the fair witness also has the responsibility to make sure
the items in the conference stay on topic.
I think this item, and the whole discussion, has been misfocussed.
The real question is, how much power should the FW be allowed to exert
in achieving the above goals?
We've retty much agreed that if I post an item on phone sex and include
Popcorn's home phone number as "a place to get free samples", then the
FW has the obligation to zap that ASAP. The issue is the gray areas.
Unfortunately, the conversation wasn't dominated by gray areas, it was
domminated by extremem examples, as these conversations usually are.
Nobody likes dealing with the gray areas. =}
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adbarr
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response 111 of 115:
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May 6 17:11 UTC 1996 |
If you don't give a fairwitness the tools and authority to be a fairwitness,
then why bother appointing one? There is always risk a particular fairwitness
could act in conflict with the acceptable use policy of Grex, but the board
can order change, if necessary, can't they? Certainly a fairwitness should
be evenhanded in exercising the power of the office so choose wisely in
the appointments. The nuts that might slip through can be replaced.
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kerouac
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response 112 of 115:
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May 6 18:56 UTC 1996 |
I've said this before but I dont think coop and agora need fair
witnesses at all. Cfadmin can handle the re-starts. If Coop and Agora
are system confs, having an fw running it and "defining" it essentially
is contradictory. Any new user joining those two confs is going to
have the impression that that the fw's are running the show.
In other confs, fw's are necessary because most conferences need to be
nurtured and need someone to take the lead in encouraging discussion.
This is not necessary with coop and agora.
In fact most confs that are established require little fw'ing. The arts
conf for instance has three listed fw's, all of whom have long since been
reaped apparently, but the conf itself is fine. In my opinion, the fw's
in a number of conferences are too high profile, but maybe thats
necessary in some cases. Maybe the personal popularity of an fw can get
people to try a conf. And maybe people like having active, involved
fw's. I guess its just a matter of preference.
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rcurl
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response 113 of 115:
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May 6 21:29 UTC 1996 |
NO restarts for coop!
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adbarr
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response 114 of 115:
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May 7 03:27 UTC 1996 |
Richard, I would rather have an individual (or two) accountable than have
to depend on a board, however great the board, for this function. We
can deal with individual errors of judgement, and the board is the Court
of Appeals. I have seen very little, if any, reall fairwitness abuse here,
and the "abuse" complained of, is still, in my opinion. noise level.
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dang
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response 115 of 115:
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May 28 21:57 UTC 1996 |
I would have to disagree with 112 about a newusers ideas. I was a newuser
once apon a time, and the impression that I got was that an fw did *not* own
a cf. It took me over a year and many cfsa to discover that there were fws
that did appear to own a cf. I think that the most important thing is the
attitude of the fw of coop and agora, not that there iis or is not one.
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