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Grex > Coop8 > #115: Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances through 8/31/96 |  |
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srw
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response 100 of 119:
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Oct 20 16:47 UTC 1996 |
Juno only works if you run windows. They give you ads along with your
e-mail, as their method of paying for the offering.
Hotmail is web-based only.
Freemark i have no clue about.
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pfv
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response 101 of 119:
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Oct 20 17:16 UTC 1996 |
Soo.....
Why not begin to list these sites? set up a motd note to run
something like !mailsites.
If, in the furture e-mail needs to be restricted, then you've
already got a leg up on the process - just add to that file
as you learn of new sites.
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kerouac
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response 102 of 119:
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Oct 20 18:41 UTC 1996 |
M-net offers free email. So does nether net (www.nether.net), and
chinet
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scg
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response 103 of 119:
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Oct 20 18:49 UTC 1996 |
Chinet had newuser turned off last time I checked.
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e4808mc
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response 104 of 119:
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Oct 20 20:20 UTC 1996 |
Why can't we help users in India set up their own cooperative computer site?
Is there something so unique about grex that it can't be replicated? Seems
like they would have old computer equipment, engineers, programmers, etc and
a few dedicated folks who would see local community access as important.
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scg
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response 105 of 119:
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Oct 20 21:12 UTC 1996 |
It would certainly be a nice thing to try if a group of Indian users were
interested in doing that. Unfortunately, from what I've heard the
communications infrastructure there may not really be up to it.
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draven
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response 106 of 119:
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Oct 20 23:23 UTC 1996 |
Computer equipment is not the major problem. In fact, some users on
here would probably be more than eager to send them some equipment if it
would get them off Grex. The problem, as Steve mentioned, it getting
users on to the system. Phone lines and/or a continuous Internet link are
very expensive there and not especially reliable.
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ajax
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response 107 of 119:
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Oct 21 01:07 UTC 1996 |
I know of a couple efforts being made by people in India to set up
similar systems. One of them is a Grex user who's asked various
technical questions here. He has to run yesteryear's protocols to do
things like deliver e-mail, because the government regulates use of
the Internet, and using current protocols costs a lot more money.
It's a very screwy system, the kind that free market forces would
reduce, but that's the way it is. Excerpt from an article info on the
topic:
> India was connected to the Internet on August 15, 1995. Prior to
> that Internet access in India was limited to exporters and people
> working in Government institutions. However in August, 1995, the
> Government of India announced that the public sector Videsh Sanchar
> Nigam Limited (VSNL) would be providing Internet services for the
> general public. VSNL is India's public sector monopoly for
> international communications. Despite the on-going privatization of
> telecom and broadcasting, VSNL's monopoly has been extended for 10
> years by the government. Indian users will have to use VSNL in order
> to access Internet services.
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robh
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response 108 of 119:
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Oct 21 07:26 UTC 1996 |
How do they define "Internet services"? If someone did set up a
Grex-like system, could they just offer e-mail, but not telnet?
(No, ajax, I don't expect you to be able to answer that yourself,
it's more a rhetorical question. >8)
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blh
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response 109 of 119:
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Oct 22 13:43 UTC 1996 |
I like the idea of aiding other coops in getting started.
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srw
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response 110 of 119:
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Oct 23 04:58 UTC 1996 |
I interpret "internet services" to mean TCP/IP based protocols. Thus,
SMTP mail only by VSNL, so the BBSes are using uucp mostly. It was
like that here in the USA not that many years ago when the internet
was run by the government (NSF) and ordinary people couldn't hook up
to it. Email was done by BBS systems polling each other with uucp.
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marcvh
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response 111 of 119:
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Oct 23 17:37 UTC 1996 |
Re #97: How cheap is "amazingly cheap"? An order of magnitude cheaper
than a Grex membership?
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drew
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response 112 of 119:
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Oct 24 16:39 UTC 1996 |
Re #111:
The last time I checked, which was quite a while ago, PO Boxes were
between $12 and $20 a year, depending on how big a box you wanted. It might
have gone up a bit; I think stamps were about 20 cents. So figure $30 ayear,
which is not quite an order of magnitude lower than grex, but still pretty
low.
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e4808mc
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response 113 of 119:
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Oct 24 17:15 UTC 1996 |
The last time I paid my PO box rent, July 1, 1996, for one of the small (3
x 5 x12) boxes it was $45 for one year. And you have to go out in the rain,
sleet and snow to retrieve your mail. Give me Grex any day.
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mta
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response 114 of 119:
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Oct 24 18:02 UTC 1996 |
Youch!! I've never paid that for my little box -- it's $24 a year. Must
depend on demand.
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krj
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response 115 of 119:
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Oct 24 18:18 UTC 1996 |
And size. Back when I was an active SF fanzine publisher, my housemates and
I had one of the big, deep drawer-sized boxes. We dropped it around 1991
when the rates hit about $100/year , and I imagine that box costs
even more now.
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ajax
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response 116 of 119:
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Oct 24 18:38 UTC 1996 |
Pricing also depends on the classification of the particular post office.
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audrey
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response 117 of 119:
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Oct 25 18:41 UTC 1996 |
That's good to know. I used to be a postal clerk, but I didn't know that.
I pay $40 a year for my small box (which never gets mail unfortunatel). As
far as I know the price of stamps are not dependent on the classification of
the post office. They're currently 32 cents for a first class stamp.
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pfv
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response 118 of 119:
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Oct 26 03:05 UTC 1996 |
I belive the boxes were meant.
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audrey
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response 119 of 119:
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Nov 13 01:33 UTC 1996 |
You're probably right.
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