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Grex > Helpers > #135: Grex System Announcements - Fall 2004 |  |
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remmers
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response 10 of 139:
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Oct 5 20:27 UTC 2004 |
Nice writeup, Jan. Thanks loads for all the work you've put into this.
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mfp
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response 11 of 139:
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Oct 5 20:55 UTC 2004 |
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tod
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response 12 of 139:
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Oct 5 21:00 UTC 2004 |
You'll have to pass a DHS background check and show up to at least one Grex
feeding frenzy..er Grexwalk.
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gull
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response 13 of 139:
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Oct 6 02:17 UTC 2004 |
Re resp:8: Thanks for posting this. It's really reassuring to know that
progress is being made.
Re resp:11: That's a seperate issue. Since it's a bylaw issue, the way
to get it changed is to make a proposal in coop and convince people to
vote for it.
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krokus
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response 14 of 139:
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Oct 6 02:25 UTC 2004 |
The feeding frenzy is the Grex Lunch, not the walk. :P
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rcurl
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response 15 of 139:
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Oct 6 05:49 UTC 2004 |
A change in the bylaws to not require ID would be a violation of state
law. The corporation *must* be able to produce a membership list,when
required by law, showing legal names and addresses (it does not have to
make it public, however).
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mfp
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response 16 of 139:
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Oct 6 05:51 UTC 2004 |
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rcurl
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response 17 of 139:
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Oct 6 05:59 UTC 2004 |
I have posted the relevant sections of the Michigan Consolidated Laws.
(Any single, or married, lawyers here, to repeat this to mfp?)
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mfp
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response 18 of 139:
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Oct 6 06:09 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 19 of 139:
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Oct 6 06:37 UTC 2004 |
re #15: I read the section of the Michigan code that you posted
and must have missed the part that unambiguously supports your
position..
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rcurl
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response 20 of 139:
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Oct 6 07:20 UTC 2004 |
My wife doesn't think I'm single - singular, perhaps.
What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
shareholders or members entitled to vote"? How can you do that without
ID? But, consider also 450.2485:
"The corporation shall keep at its registered office....records containing
the names and addresses of all shareholders or members.......A corporation
shall convert into written form without charge any record...upon written
request of a person entitled to inspect them."
This sort of requirement is scattered throughout the MCL. It is remiss of
directors of a non-profit to not be familiar with the body of non-profit
law anyway, in order to avoid mistakes in creating bylaws and acts.
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mcnally
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response 21 of 139:
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Oct 6 08:25 UTC 2004 |
> What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
> shareholders or members entitled to vote"?
The ambiguous part is what level of diligence is required on the part of
the corporation to ensure that the information is correct. It says nothing
about ID.
> How can you do that without ID?
I still don't see anything in the law that requires ID.
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tpryan
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response 22 of 139:
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Oct 6 11:22 UTC 2004 |
I'm moving to the idea of ID verifing all (new) accounts.
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other
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response 23 of 139:
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Oct 6 13:34 UTC 2004 |
Tim, non illegitimati carborundum est. ;)
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tod
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response 24 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:14 UTC 2004 |
re #15
"required by law, showing legal names and addresses"
You forgot to add some other stuff not mentioned like social security numbers,
favorite color, favorite soft drink, and number of toes on the left foot. ;)
The laws for non-profits plainly state you just need a list of members.
PERIOD. The requirement for ID is a fabrication by Cyberspace, Inc.
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mfp
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response 25 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:44 UTC 2004 |
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albaugh
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response 26 of 139:
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Oct 6 16:52 UTC 2004 |
"Fabrication" or not, it's the way grex "wants" it. You don't like it,
then have a member propose a change to the bylaws. All this continued
complaining is simply childish and accomplishes nothing.
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tod
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response 27 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:03 UTC 2004 |
I'm a member DISCUSSING it. Go soak your head.
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mfp
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response 28 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:19 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 29 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
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mcnally
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response 30 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:21 UTC 2004 |
re #27: And you're DISCUSSING it in the SYSTEM ANNOUNCEMENT items.
HOW ABOUT rounding up your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and CAPITAL LETTERS
and taking them BOTH to the CO-OP CONFERENCE?
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tod
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response 31 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:22 UTC 2004 |
re #29: MaYBe i WIll Do ThaT mISter DeWEy dECimAl SySTem LIbRaRiAN.
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tod
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response 32 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:24 UTC 2004 |
re #29
Why are you calling me swear words and then censoring it? That's not a way
to behave in the system problems item. ;)
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remmers
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response 33 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:35 UTC 2004 |
(This is the Grex System Announcements item. Discussion about any Grex
policy is certainly appropriate, but the Coop conference might be a
better place for it.)
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albaugh
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response 34 of 139:
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Oct 6 17:57 UTC 2004 |
Complaining is not improving grex. There is a well-defined way to propose
and possibly enact a change to the bylaws.
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