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ea
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response 10 of 206:
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Sep 6 21:28 UTC 2000 |
Yes it's stealing. However, I (like so many other people) will argue
that the Recording Industry has yet to come up with an effective pricing
scheme. If they could charge me 2-5 cents per song and then give me the
song in MP3 format, I'd happily pay for most of the songs I've
downloaded from Napster (the others I own the CD for already, it's just
that I haven't found a good ripper program)
There are some songs that I've gotten through Napster that are rather
hard to get through normal channels. For example, I collect college
Marching Band and Drumline songs. If the college band has put out a CD,
they usually only distribute on-campus or close to it. Without Napster,
I wouldn't be able to get some of this music without some pretty
expensive travel costs.
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beeswing
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response 11 of 206:
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Sep 6 21:31 UTC 2000 |
ashke... there's some song from the 80s with the line "father, oh
father, everybody's young and far too serious". Title? Artist? Damn if
I know. But I MUST have it...
Didn't sleep last night for being awake downloading. Need a nap. But
must download more. More more more
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danr
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response 12 of 206:
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Sep 7 00:43 UTC 2000 |
re #10: There's no "yes, but" about it.
There's a very interesting article on this topic in the September 2000 issue of
The Atlantic. It's very interesting reading.
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rcurl
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response 13 of 206:
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Sep 7 00:46 UTC 2000 |
Do you know that *all* thieves are essentially complaining about a
"pricing scheme"?
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anderyn
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response 14 of 206:
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Sep 7 01:09 UTC 2000 |
I'll have to find a copy of the Atlantic, then. I figure that having a copy
of someone's CD/vinyl/cassette is okay if *a* they made it so you could hear
a group to see if you like them *b* you then buy the album so as to have a
legit copy or *c* you cannot buy a copy of that album because of out-of-print
issues. I still haven't figured out how to use Napster, and haven'tn really
been interested, since not very many people who frequent the site are going
to have the kinds of music which I'd want to download.
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krj
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response 15 of 206:
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Sep 7 05:27 UTC 2000 |
Back in resp:8, slynne asks: "Are all of the songs on napster copyrighted
or are some of them put there by artists hoping someone will download
them so they can get some recognition?..." There are thousands upon
thousands of songs available through Napster, and I'm sure that there
are many there which are offered with the permission of the copyright owner.
If I remember correctly, statistical studies were done as part of the
Napster suit, and these studies found that a number like 85% of the songs
available through Napster were copyrighted by the five major music
companies. Many more would be under copyright from smaller companies or
foreign companies.
In resp:9, jerryr states:
"as i understand it, napster doesn't warehouse any mp3's. they act as a
clearing house." Essentially correct. Napster operates a directory
service to the files on its users disks, and it distributes the software
which lets the users search the central directory and then download
the music files they want from other users' disks.
This does not help Napster legally, however.
The suit against Napster is based on the concept of "contributory
copyright infringement." Napster is accused by the RIAA of helping
other people make unlawful copies.
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jerryr
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response 16 of 206:
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Sep 7 10:28 UTC 2000 |
i knew that. my response was in response to slynne's question - i was
splitting hairs. there really aren't any songs "on" napster. i am trying
to uphold the fine tradition established by my hero, bill clinton. you
remember - it depends on the definition of "is"
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rcurl
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response 17 of 206:
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Sep 7 17:49 UTC 2000 |
Ah, a convert!
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jerryr
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response 18 of 206:
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Sep 7 18:36 UTC 2000 |
convert?
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rcurl
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response 19 of 206:
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Sep 7 18:41 UTC 2000 |
A convert to Bill Clintonism.
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krj
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response 20 of 206:
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Sep 7 19:07 UTC 2000 |
((Much as it pains me to recognize it, our general approval of
Clinton's presidency is one of the few things jerryr, rcurl and krj
would all admit to agreeing on. But we digress...))
Back to the topic: a slogan from a recent news article about Napster,
which of course I lost:
"20 Million Pirates Can't Be Wrong"
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ashke
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response 21 of 206:
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Sep 7 19:31 UTC 2000 |
<adjusts her eyepatch> Arrrrrrrr
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jerryr
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response 22 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:52 UTC 2000 |
bill clinton is my personal savior. has been since he became president. the
only thing i ever faulted him for was his choice of sluts. i have been
converted to nothing. sorry to disappoint.
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slynne
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response 23 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:55 UTC 2000 |
I have never downloaded anything from napster and I didnt vote for Bill
Clinton in the last election.
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jerryr
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response 24 of 206:
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Sep 7 21:57 UTC 2000 |
nice try, but he won anyway.
(ok, i stole that line from the west wing, but it's a great line)
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iggy
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response 25 of 206:
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Sep 7 22:28 UTC 2000 |
i thought monica was kind of cute
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jerryr
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response 26 of 206:
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Sep 7 23:20 UTC 2000 |
you would
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anderyn
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response 27 of 206:
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Sep 8 00:43 UTC 2000 |
Bill Clinton has always squicked me out. I never could understand how any
woman could think him attractive or how anyone could believe his campaign
promises the second time around.
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mcnally
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response 28 of 206:
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Sep 8 01:00 UTC 2000 |
I'm not sure that anyone *did* believe his campaign promises the second
time around. The problem is, many people *did* believe Bob Dole would
do what he said, and they apparently didn't like it..
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beeswing
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response 29 of 206:
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Sep 8 03:25 UTC 2000 |
I am giddly upon seeing the phrase "squicked me out". :)
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krj
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response 30 of 206:
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Sep 8 03:41 UTC 2000 |
Does anyone want to talk about Napster?
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krj
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response 31 of 206:
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Sep 8 04:51 UTC 2000 |
Here's a topic which came up in party today. The process of taking a
CD and turning its tracks into MP3 files is known as "ripping."
(A question for the resident Grammar Bitches, if they are still here:
Do you say, "I'm going to rip a few CDs?" or "I'm going to rip
a few MP3's?") I've always assumed that the derivation of the
term "ripping" was from the 1960s slang "rip off," meaning to steal,
and this would imply that the people who coined the term had some
perspective on intellectual property rights.
Is "rip off" the correct etymology, or is there another derivation
for "ripping?"
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beeswing
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response 32 of 206:
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Sep 8 05:22 UTC 2000 |
Not sure. I don't think it matters :)
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bdh3
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response 33 of 206:
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Sep 8 09:17 UTC 2000 |
Hypothetically I have a 'cd' of 'Shanghai Noon' that I paid good money
for (about 1.25$US and I paid much more than I should have as I am
'rich') in Hefei, An Wei, PRC. Its not a DVD, its a VCD
that plays equally well in a DVD as well as the CD of my PC. The DVD
of the VCD has not been 'released' as it is still playing in the
theatres in the US and has not been released foreign. In addition to
the English dialog, and the subtitled mandarin the VCD also has
subtitled fukienese and malay and 'dubbed mandarin' for the english as
options. My only gripe is that it is not 'letterboxed', but whaddayah
expect for one dollar and two bits. Now, just between you and me this
flik is not exactly on the top of the list of whats-her-name will allow
me to spend 50 bucks US$ to go see in a US theater on a 'date night'.
(instead we save money and go see 'art' shit.)
Granted this is not 'revenue' that the original studio might have
collected in any of its traditional distribution channels, but is it
really 'stealing'? Its not even in the same market format the the
studio is gonna release 'legitimate' copies of/in. Oh, and I don't
even own a DVD. (I don't even have cable.) As near as I can figure
there is no way that in controlled/traditional distribution methods the
studio has a chance in hell of collecting $ from me, thus it has no
'damages'. I might even mention to friends/co-workers that it is a
pretty good flik and thus the studio benefits from the 'buzz' in that
filk that I don't dupe copies of the VCD to might actually go pay the
50 bucks for a 'night on the town' or at least view it on TV whenever
it is released if it is. No foul, no harm?
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danr
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response 34 of 206:
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Sep 8 16:03 UTC 2000 |
I read somewhere--I think in the AA News--that someone did a study of how well
recent presidents did keeping their campaign promises. Surprise! Clinton
topped the list at something like 69%. Reagan was near the bottom; I forget his
score, though.
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