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flem
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response 10 of 19:
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Apr 16 16:53 UTC 2002 |
I understood what you meant by the term; I was questioning your choice to use
it that way.
There are many ways to fail to understand poetry. One such way is by thinking
it all should rhyme. Another such way is by denigrating those who understand
and enjoy rhymed poetry.
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morwen
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response 11 of 19:
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Apr 16 17:48 UTC 2002 |
I think there are lots of people that favor what might justifiably be
called the classical style of poetry writing (ie making clever use of
rhyme and mater to aid in getting an idea across to the reader)
Personally, I don't believe that there really *is* a "right way" to
write poetry. There are good ways to write better poetry and I think
that poetry should have a certain flow, but that is my opinion.
It's like Jon and his ideas about music. My Dad will say that "rock
and roll" is not music. He prefers the genre called "classical music"
which is basically instrumental and choral orchestra music. Jon, on
the other hand, will argue that my father is mistaken and is pushing
his opinion off on other people. He will say that butt rock is music,
even if I don't like it.
This coincides with my beliefs about poetry. If it is billed as
poetry, it is probably poetry, even if I don't like it.
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flem
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response 12 of 19:
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Apr 16 18:17 UTC 2002 |
I'm not quite sure I'm willing to go so far as to grant the status of poetry
to anything that claims it, much as I'm not willing to agree with people who
pile their trash in little heaps, photograph it, and call me stupid for not
appreciating their profound artistic statement. But in either case, it's
really not worth arguing about it in most cases.
What's more productive, I think, is to examine different kinds of things
that are unquestionably poetry (or art) and try to express different ways
in which things can succeed in being poetry.
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morwen
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response 13 of 19:
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Apr 17 02:21 UTC 2002 |
<shrug> Just stating personal opinion
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russ
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response 14 of 19:
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Apr 17 04:15 UTC 2002 |
Re #11: When you consider that one of the big uses of poetry
was in the transmission of oral history, rhyming and meter have
an obvious function. They are mnemonic devices which provide
"glue" to hold the piece together over time and between carriers.
As proof of this, let me try to repeat one of my old pieces without
looking at the original. I can't recall the exact title (it was
something like "Ode to the dinner date from hell"), but it goes:
It wouldn't be so hard to meet
New people if you'd only just
Quit bitching 'bout the kind of seat
And over dinner stop your fuss.
You would likely make more friends
If you went seeking company
Instead of making clear your ends
Are only to get laid for free.
Friends are not to boss around
Nor nose into their privacy
So if you run a man to ground
Be quite assured it won't be me.
The above 3 stanzas are probably present elsewhere in this conference.
I'll let someone else compare the two and see if they differ. Try *that*
with blank verse after not looking at it for a few years. ;-)
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jaklumen
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response 15 of 19:
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Apr 17 04:40 UTC 2002 |
resp:9 Perhaps so, but I've heard some really bad rhyming poetry, by
the general populace.
resp:10 whoa, you couldn't catch that I wasn't uberserious in my
criticism? Perhaps you've forgotten I've praised remmers for many of
his offerings, and I don't think I've ever seen a poem of his that
*doesn't* rhyme. Me, I've only said rhyme and meter is really
difficult for me to use, and the latter I don't quite get. I can't
hear the rhythm in my usual reading. Maybe if I read it aloud.
Rhyme and meter is easier for me if I have musical accompaniment.
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morwen
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response 16 of 19:
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Apr 17 14:30 UTC 2002 |
Yea, verily. I must think and work diligently to make rhyme and meter
work. I admire those that are able to do so, but as for me, I much
prefer free-verse.
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dea
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response 17 of 19:
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Apr 23 03:31 UTC 2002 |
Wee i enter a need for sleep induced poem and i gets a debate of rhyme against
rhyme. i myself i love both types, one of my favorite poems is the Oddesy,
which obviusly dosnt rhyme
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jaklumen
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response 18 of 19:
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Apr 23 06:38 UTC 2002 |
not in translation.. does it rhyme in Greek?
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morwen
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response 19 of 19:
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Apr 23 18:33 UTC 2002 |
No. It's driven primarily by rhythm. I don't think they practice
rhyme in Greek poetry. At least not in epic poetry, as per the Iliad
and the Oddysey.
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