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bhelliom
Depression 101 Mark Unseen   Jun 26 15:29 UTC 2002

         This item is to discuss the feeling you get
         when you start to mistake the Bummed item
         for the Happy item, when your occasional
         down feelings become DANGEROUSLY commonplace.

Depression affects everyone in our respective communities in different 
ways.  It is a subject that is only beginning to receive due attention 
in open media, but remains a topic that is riddled with myths and 
misconceptions and the stigma attached to this treatable illness is one 
of the most common reasons why it is a hard issue for many to confront.

"Depression 101" is exactly what it sounds like.  An intro to a 
discussion with many twists and turns, tangents and subtopics.  It is 
for those like myself who are just beginning to uncover the surface of 
this problem, whether this is the first encounter or a lifelong 
struggle, as well as those who can (and do!) look on their experiences 
in a different way, having come out on the other side.  Of course this 
is also for those who are close to someone struggling with Depression 
and for those who are simply interested in learning more.  

Personal stories, questions regarding the illness, finding a therapist, 
impact on close friends and family . . . we can all discuss it here.

This is also intended to be a safe place for those who are dealing with 
this and want support.  Though no one here is a trained professional, 
those that are willing can certainly help steer someone in the right 
direction.  This also means, of course that it would be appreciated if 
those that participate be sensitive to those who choose to share.  It 
doesn't mean that humor is not appreciated, it means *be an adult*.

Anything goes folks . . . let's make this a great discussion!

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170 responses total.
cmcgee
response 1 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 15:33 UTC 2002

When the fw of Recovery conf is decided, maybe this can be linked. 
jacklumen has a similar item there.
cmcgee
response 2 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 15:34 UTC 2002

Um, I didn't realize this was also an Agora item.  Maybe link in the fall.
jaklumen
response 3 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 05:45 UTC 2002

I remember there being a depression item in spring Agora.

The item in recovery is about mental illness in general.  It would be 
wonderful to link this item since depression seems to be one of the 
more common ones.  *chuckle* cmcgee, I guess it's your turn to bug 
Walter (i).  I got a very nice e-mail from him, and he stopped 
responding after that.
clees
response 4 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 06:26 UTC 2002

There definitely is still a stigma on depression.
Many people respond to your situation with the remark: 'get a grip.'
Like it's easy. Even my twin had the nerve to say something similar to 
me in 1996-97, when I had my depression. Harsh, no?
The way I dealt with the problem was, as it was so clear to notice, not 
to hide the fact I was in therapy, but be open about it.
Eventually I discovered one of the reasons for the depression: my worse 
than bad relationship withg my father, whom had committed suicide in 
1991. My therapist managed to make me get to terms with it. She did 
this by merely nudging me in the right direction.

I believe that depression in general increases. 
I have got the impression that the demands society puts on individuals 
is growing. Life nowadays is much more complex than it was, say fifty 
years ago. I have been discussing this idea with my own therapist 
(behavioral therapy, not an analyst), and she concurred.
See, depression happens a lot among people of my own generation (30+).
I fear that the generation coming after me (20+) is subject to even 
more strong demands.
For instance, keeping and maintaining a relationship is harder 
nowadays. The partners not only desire a sensitivity, loyalty, 
intelligence, wit, care etc, but also good providership and excellent 
bed performance. It's quite a lot to answer to, and it's only one thing.

Concluding I'll be the last to have an opinion on depression. I know 
how hard it is to cope with it. Anybody I care about can count on my 
(mental) support / empathy.
jaklumen
response 5 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 06:41 UTC 2002

As a member of the older twentysomethings, yeah, I think the stresses 
may be worse.
brighn
response 6 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 13:48 UTC 2002

#4,5> Bah. Every generation says that, and it's rarely true. Why don't know
what it was like to be 25 in 1955, or in 1855, or in 1755, because we weren't.
 
#4> On getting a grip: I think there's a tendency for people who have mental
problems to allow the problems to rule their lives. That's close to the psych
distinction between functional and dysfucntional problems. Functionally ill
people can still do their basic life things, but they feel uncomfortable in
the realm of their disorder; dysfunctional people are actually blocked from
doing major things because of their disorder. Overwhelmingly, most people are
functional, and so it's tempting (I think) to respond to someone who's
claiming obstruction due to illness to "get a grip": It could be a statement
of callousness, but it could also be a statement of, "Look, I saw you do X
last week, and a few months ago, and several times last year, so I know you
can do X, there's no reason why you can't do X now." And the truth is,
sometimes that little "get a grip" speech is what some people need to crawl
out of the hole (while, unfortunately, sometimes it drives them in deeper).
bhelliom
response 7 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 14:48 UTC 2002

There is the fact, though, that lots of folks have been telling 
themselves to "get a grip," and for a while, it works, I think.  It 
feels so much worse when you're someone that has always been considered 
the "strong one," someone that's supposed to have it under control.  
Then you realize you didn't necessarily have control in the first place, 
just a major wall which acted as a bit of a self-defence mechanism, and 
you never had a filter for the depressing thoughts that most folks can 
talk themselves out of believing.  Then the wall comes down and you have 
no protection whatsoever.  You don't want to monopolize your friends' 
time, you don't want to make it difficult for people to be happy or 
enjoy themselves in your presence, and you chastize yourself for not 
being as supportive of others as you feel you have been in the past.

I don't think that the demands placed on people in my age group are any 
harder than they have been in the past.  The demands are diferent, and 
perhaps more unique that those in the past because the world has changed 
so quickly in the last 20 years.  The demands may seem harder simply due 
to the fact that they are harder compared to the obligations we had to 
fulfill as children.  Most of our needs were met without us lifting a 
finger, and we were partially shielded from many societal prohibitions, 
obligations, etc.
jmsaul
response 8 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 15:19 UTC 2002

I have a friend who's a clinical psychologist, who works with some severely
messed-up people.  His advice to people who are depressed is to drink a ton
of water (more than you're thirsty for -- like a couple pints) and get out
in the sun and exercise, even if it's just walking around the block five or
six times.  He doesn't claim this will work for everyone, because some really
will need medication and/or therapy, but it should at least lessen the effects
and in mild cases can lift the depression.

I don't know why this works, exactly, but I've seen it do the trick, and he's
got hands-on experience to back it up.

Your mileage may vary, but his method costs nothing and is good for you even
if it doesn't lift the depression, so it may be worth giving it a try.
slynne
response 9 of 170: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 15:44 UTC 2002

When I worked at ASH, one of the things we did for people who were 
depressed was to strongly encourage them to get out and walk around the 
block a couple of times a day. It really does wonders even with folks 
who really need the medication. I also have had personal experience 
with depression and I have found that walking in the daylight makes a 
huge difference. Socializing helps too if I feel up to it but like 
others have described here, sometimes I am not. A walk around the block 
and good cry go a long way. 

I have also tried the water thing. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes 
it doesnt. The theory behind it is that a small bit of dehydration will 
make you feel low energy which can feel like depression. You wont 
necessarily feel thirsty. So drinking some extra water might help. I 
know that I feel really tired when I dont get enough water so there 
might be something to that.

Personally, I think that doing something, no matter what, does help 
lift depression. Taking action helps depression. I think it even can 
help if that something is simply talking about it with others. This is 
why it is a real shame that there is a stigma attached to depression 
and therapy. It keeps people from taking action to deal with the 
depression and ends up making the illness worse. 
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