response 1 of 58:

Sep 1 20:08 UTC 2006

According to http://www.cyberspace.org/memfaq.html#whydoineedid , proof of
identification required because:

   1. While we are very comfortable allowing anonymous users access to Grex,
we are not comfortable unleashing them on the rest of the Internet. It would
be irresponsible of the Grex administration to allow people we can't identify
to telnet through Grex to other systems, so we require ID from everyone we
allow to do that.
   2. Cyberspace Communications is required by the state of Michigan to
maintain an up-to-date list of members. Implied in this requirement is that
we make sure no two memberships are held by the same person. So we require
ID to connect accounts with real people and make sure no one has the ability
to vote twice in Grex elections.


These reasons are invalid for a number of reasons:

1.  It's incredibly easy to forge I.D. that would be accepted by Grex.

2.  If someone wants to vote twice, they could just sign up their friend,
their spouse, their sometimes lover, or whatever.

3.  Member verification is *not* required by Michigan law.

4.  Many other organizations in Michigan, including Arbornet, Inc., do not
require I.D. from their members and do not appear to have had any problems.

Basically, the I.D. requirement does nothing to stop any of the problems it's
meant to stop, does not help us comply with the law, and inconveniences
potential members.  It should be abolished.

response 3 of 58:

Sep 1 21:38 UTC 2006

I 2nd this motion.

response 5 of 58:

Sep 1 23:10 UTC 2006

By the way, my purpose in proposing this is to a) cut down on hassle and b)
get new members for Grex.

With the rate at which membership has been falling, it is in Grex's interest
to make becoming a member as easy as possible.  I know of at least one person
who would sign up if the identification requirements were dropped.

response 7 of 58:

Sep 2 00:07 UTC 2006

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